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Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:02 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:02 pm to Dr RC
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We don't know what the sticking point was so how can you say we took the easy way out?
I can say we took the easy way out because we had a Baylor-tier OOC for 3 straight years. I'll accept all the excuses you want to give for Year 1, but Year 2 and especially Year 3 were embarrassing.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:13 pm to NanosTacoRun
I'm not making excuses, I'm giving you the reality of the situation.
Again, we don't know what caused the negotiations to break down w/Louisville. They tried w/two other teams and couldn't get it done which indicates the breakdown likely was happening due to a specific sticking point on their end.
We lost two games a year (one Big 12 game and Arky OOC) by moving the SEC and that is extremely difficult to fix on short notice. It's not easy to remedy quickly like you want it to be.
Again, we don't know what caused the negotiations to break down w/Louisville. They tried w/two other teams and couldn't get it done which indicates the breakdown likely was happening due to a specific sticking point on their end.
We lost two games a year (one Big 12 game and Arky OOC) by moving the SEC and that is extremely difficult to fix on short notice. It's not easy to remedy quickly like you want it to be.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:15 pm to NanosTacoRun
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My point was that if he's only at 8 (or 9) wins, and depending on how the Ws and Ls occur, I think we're seeing him make the changes necessary to have confidence in him moving forward.
Nine wins or above in the regular season and we keep Sumlin. Eight probably too. Six he is probably fired. Seven is the question, I think fired. Overall pretty cut and dry no matter his recent moves. Sumlin's job security in 2016 is more about media pressure and fan expectations of the program as a whole. If he wins seven and we keep him and Myles goes top 3 in the draft then we will be pissed we kept the guy who wasted his talent no matter what.
Sumlin's actual actions outside of wins will matter more in the 2017 season if he does stay. That season is gonna suck unless recruiting pulls a 180 so it's about how we handle that. Would we tolerate a six win season in year six on the excuse of rebuilding? I think so- if we win ten or nine this year we will tolerate the six next year. If we win 8 this year and six next year he is gone and Sumlin "fixing" all these problems was a waste of time and money. But 8 and 7? Then his staff changes matter.
So next year we will know how important this year was for Sumlin's career and if he deserves a second chance based on moves made. That unfortunate reality is exactly why I am gonna enjoy this year for what it is and not try to think about the future of our program at all if I can help it.
Sumlin needs to have fixed our 2016 season if he is gonna ever gonna do it.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
Sumlin will never win the SEC West let alone a NC. No legit HC gets beat 59-0. All we're dealing with now is the pussiness of Jim Wilson to not man up and cover the payoff after shoving the moronic contract down A&Ms throat.
Rodo
Rodo
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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Seven is the question, I think fired
7 will probably hinge on how the 5 losses went.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:25 pm to Rodo
Probably a good point. We will know after this year though one way or another. If it doesn't work out the potential that was wasted will be disappointing. If sumlin has this staff plus Beatty and kk starting year one how much better would things have gone?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:38 pm to Dr RC
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I'm not making excuses, I'm giving you the reality of the situation.
You're giving your perspective on the reality, just like I am.
We didn't play crap in OOC for 3 straight years. That's reality. We just happen to disagree on how/why it went down the way it did.
I don't think we did everything possible to set up the Louisville game, just like I don't we didn't do everything possible to set up a game with UT in a bowl game, just like I don't think we did everything possible to set up a game with tech in a bowl.
Each situation is unique, and the reasons each didn't happen are perfectly reasonable. I would probably agree with them. But I think it's fair to say there's something that vaguely represents a trend.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:50 pm to Rodo
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Sumlin will never win the SEC West let alone a NC. No legit HC gets beat 59-0.
Sure but Bobby Bowden
in '73 w/WVU lost to Penn State 62-14
in '76 w/FSU lost to Miami 47-0 (Miami was 3-7 that year)
in '81 lost to Southern Miss 58-14
in '82 lost to LSU 55-21
in '83 lost to Florida 53-14
in '85 lost to Auburn 59-27
in '88 lost to Miami 31-0
Are those 59-0? No. But that's a lot of serious arse whippings.
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If an A&M coach had losses like those in this day and age w/those kind of regular season results he'd be getting thrashed as a crap coach. People would say those 3 10+ win seasons were flukes and that 8-9 wins were his ceiling. Also, while FSU was not a great team when he took over, it's not like they were a complete backwater either as they had been to the Sun twice, Gator twice, Bluegrass, Peach, and Fiesta bowls before he got there.
Now I'm not saying Sumlin is going to suddenly reel off 14 straight top 5 years w/ 2 national titles but to completely write off a coach over one really bad loss is silly.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:16 pm to cardboardboxer
I think great is 11+
I think the class will be ok if we just do good at 9 wins
I think the class will be ok if we just do good at 9 wins
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:30 pm to Dr RC
You go big boy. Show your Agginess!
Rodo
Rodo
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:31 pm to Rodo
Wtf?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:54 pm to Dr RC
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Sure but Bobby Bowden
Good example.
Saban embarrassed Dantoni twice. Mack Brown was destroyed by Stoops twice, then won a NC. Dabo Swinney gave up 70 to WVU. Sometimes you just catch an asswhipping.
But I wouldn't bet on sumlin winning anything. It's difficult under the best circumstances, and we're far from that.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:12 pm to Rodo
Posted on 6/22/16 at 5:28 am to Dr RC
Anything less than 9 wins and Sumlin is gone. No way he is not fired with another 8 win season. And this year will be our toughest schedule yet.
Woodward needs to be playing a lot of golf with Herman right about now....
Woodward needs to be playing a lot of golf with Herman right about now....
Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:52 am to NanosTacoRun
I can overlook the fact that Sumlin is a shitty person if he wins, problem is no matter what happens this year 2017 is set up to be a complete dumpster fire thanks to past ineptitude on his part.
Right now our program is in the same place it was around 2006 with Fran, staring inevitability in the face and doing nothing proactive. That's s dangerous spot for a program, because typically everyone outside the program (recruits especially) aren't going to give any benefit of the doubt like some fans in denial will.
Right now our program is in the same place it was around 2006 with Fran, staring inevitability in the face and doing nothing proactive. That's s dangerous spot for a program, because typically everyone outside the program (recruits especially) aren't going to give any benefit of the doubt like some fans in denial will.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:38 am to Roger Klarvin
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2017 is set up to be a complete dumpster fire
Please elaborate oh wise and all knowing tongue cleaner of Billy Kennedys butt crack
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:54 am to Chill98
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There are many ways to get a great recruiting class.
Yeah, F-250s
Posted on 6/22/16 at 9:42 am to cardboardboxer
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quote:And you defined great as 10 wins Yes that is the line for me. What is your line?
10 wins is pretty good.
Great is make the playoffs regardless of result.
Perfect is coming home with the hardware.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:26 am to Old Sarge
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Please elaborate
Our starting QB will be Hubenak (who supposedly has no business ever starting at this level if you believe practice reports), Starkel (emergency oh shite signee who really has no business at a program like ours) or Mond (true freshman).
We will lose most of what should make our defense very good this year (Garrett, Hall, Evans, Watts, possibly Wilson) with little depth to promise quality replacements due to poor defensive recruiting.
We lose Reynolds and RSJ
Our offensive line is worrisome as we have nobody on the current roster behind Gennesy who is a natural left tackle (this shouldn't EVER happen at a program like ours).
A bad or true freshman QB combined with a big step back on defense is a recipe for disaster. Think 2013 without Manziel scoring 40 every week.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:30 am to Roger Klarvin
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Starkel (emergency oh shite signee who really has no business at a program like ours)
This is dumb
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Our offensive line is worrisome as we have nobody on the current roster behind Gennesy who is a natural left tackle (this shouldn't EVER happen at a program like ours).
Diesch?
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