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Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:15 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:15 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I really was being serious when I said the Big 12 should boot Baylor the frick out and replace them with Houston.
They already have another private school w/TCU to take care of FOIA issues, the Screwston market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waco, and the Coogs have FAR more long term potential than the Cubs.
They already have another private school w/TCU to take care of FOIA issues, the Screwston market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waco, and the Coogs have FAR more long term potential than the Cubs.
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:28 pm to Dr RC
We might need to change the thread title. This stopped being funny after the first rape.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:44 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Baylor really did sell its soul.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:00 pm to Cooter Davenport
quote:
Baylor really did sell its soul.
would be appropriate thread title at this point.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:20 pm to Dawgsontop34
Rumor is there is another rape investigation in the pipeline involving a current player.
Damn
Damn
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
Current player? This thing is getting more and more sickening.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
Too bad A&M can't take advantage of this...
We should be dominating recruiting when you look at the 5-7 Sips, the looming NCAA issues with Ole Miss, Baylor's shenanigans, and the banning of satellite camps.
We should be dominating recruiting when you look at the 5-7 Sips, the looming NCAA issues with Ole Miss, Baylor's shenanigans, and the banning of satellite camps.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:59 pm to Chill98
At this point idgaf about football, I want heads to roll in Waco for this shite.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:19 pm to agalloch
I'll upvote that...
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:59 am to agalloch
this is well beyond football. It's now about administrators that should know better.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:15 am to Farmer1906
DUDE...
Elliott
October 2009
A female athlete, who graduated from Baylor in 2010, testified that Tevin Elliott sexually assaulted her after she passed out drunk at her apartment in 2009.
November 2011
Baylor judicial affairs officials were aware of a misdemeanor, sexually-related assault citation against Elliott in November 2011.
April 2012
A Baylor athlete (“Kim”) reported to Waco police that Elliott had forced her to have sex with him. A few weeks later, the woman and her mother said they also reported the assault to Baylor's ombudsman office and were sent to meet with the school's chief judicial officer, Bethany McCraw
A Baylor freshman (“Tanya”) reported to police being at a party and being raped twice by Elliott, who she hadn’t met before
Days later, Tanya said she went to Baylor's campus police department, asking officers if there was anything they could do for her, because she'd been assaulted by a fellow student but was told that counseling or other resources were unavailable
She was placed on probation when her grades dropped, lost her academic scholarship and left Baylor in 2013.
Both women said McCraw's response noted that Kim, also a Baylor athlete, was the sixth woman to report such an incident involving Elliott. Kim alleges that McCraw acknowledged that Art Briles was aware of all the prior accusations.
Baylor coach Art Briles announced that Elliott was suspended indefinitely for violating an unspecified team policy. He didn't elaborate and said he'd have no further comment.
Later it is reported that Elliott was arrested and charged with sexual assault, which is the first time news of any of the incidents is made public.
January 2014
Tevin Elliott is sentenced to 20 years in prison as a result of the incidents with Tanya
In all, five women who reported to police that they were either raped or assaulted -- in incidents from October 2009 to April 2012 -- by Elliott.
The suit claims Baylor did not take any action whatsoever to investigate her claim. It failed to offer her counseling or help as she struggled academically after the assault.
Oakman
February 2012
Oakman is kicked off the Penn State football team for attempting to steal a sandwich and allegedly assaulting a female cashier who tried to stop him – accounts vary from him simply grabbing her wrist to get her card back (his) or more violently shoving her against the wall (hers). He was charged with some misdemeanors and it was reported publicly.
June 2012
Oakman transfers to Baylor, and his past incident was apparently public knowledge.
2012 Football Season
Oakman sits out at Baylor due to transfer rules
January 2013
Police were called to an incident of alleged domestic violence between Oakman and his ex-girlfriend. A written police report was filed accusing Oakman of assault, noting evidence of bruising and including an account from the victim of being thrown around the apartment. The victim declined to press charges
According to the report that came out today (April 25, 2016), there is evidence that Baylor was aware of the incident
No disciplinary actions were taken and the incident did not make it to the media
2013 Football Season
Oakman played in 13 games as a backup defensive end, recording 33 tackles and 2 sacks
2014 Football Season
Oakman earns first team Big 12 honors
2015 Football Season
Oakman earns 2nd team All Big-12 honors and is Baylor’s all-time sack leader
April 2016
Just hours after Starr's comments [regarding the rape scandals], the reports of the alleged Oakman sexual assault began circulating.
Oakman, having graduated, is arrested in Waco and charged with sexually assaulting a Baylor student who went home from the bar with him
The woman went to the hospital after the alleged assault and was examined by a sexual assault nurse examiner, according to the court records.
Ukwauchu
2012 Football Season
Sam Ukwuachu has a freshman All-American season for Boise State
April 2013
Ukwuachu had an altercation with his then-girlfriend and roommates, detailed here (including what someone in the Boise State AD noted around what they knew and who they told it to).
Ukwuachu is dismissed from the Boise State team and transfers to Baylor (this is when all communications between Peterson and Briles would have occurred -- the debate around which is regarding how much Peterson knew and/or disclosed)
2013 Football Season
Ukwuachu is ineligible to play for Baylor in 2013, as Boise State did not support any waivers to allow Ukwuachu to play the 2013 season.
October 2013
A couple months after Ukwuachu arrived on campus, the sexual assault on Jane Doe occurs; Jane Doe goes to the hospital and a rape kit is performed, reported the incident, and in subsequent months is treated for PTSD
Sometime in the months following, the Ukwuachu incident is investigated by the school as required. A few interviews are done of the victim, the accused, the accused's roommate, and potentially other friends. The school finds it more likely than not that the incident did not occur. Rape kit is not checked and the school counselor assisting her with PTSD was not interviewed. Baylor PD does not pursue any further
June 2014
Waco DA deems enough evidence to bring charges and Ukwuachu is indicted on charges of sexual assault; the indictment is sealed and Ukwuachu name is redacted on public indictment reports; the school does not re-open its internal Title IX investigation.
[At the time] the indictment is not public knowledge or reported on by any media.
Summer/Fall 2014
Ukwuachu, under indictment, is not playing for the football team, with coaches citing "some issues", but remains on scholarship and attends the university
Victim (Jane Doe) is told that it is her responsibility to alter class schedules to avoid Ukwuachu.
Jane Doe suffered an injury, preventing her from playing soccer, cited difficulties in rehab due to emotional/psychological issues, and saw her scholarship reduced.
2014 Football Season
Ukwuachu sits out the 2014 season
Spring 2015
Ukwuachu graduates from Baylor and is accepted into graduate school there; Jane Doe transfers to another school to play soccer because of scholarship reduction and other issues
Ukwuachu is participating in strength & conditioning workouts with the team and is mentioned in interviews during summer 2015 as expected to return to play the season
August 2015
Ukwuachu is convicted of sexual assault (against Jane Doe) and sentenced to 10 years of probation.
The victim files a lawsuit against Baylor for their handling of the case
December 31, 2015
It is announced that Baylor and the victim in Ukwuachu's case reached a settlement on her lawsuit with the school. No additional details were provided, presumably as a condition of the settlement
Elliott
October 2009
A female athlete, who graduated from Baylor in 2010, testified that Tevin Elliott sexually assaulted her after she passed out drunk at her apartment in 2009.
November 2011
Baylor judicial affairs officials were aware of a misdemeanor, sexually-related assault citation against Elliott in November 2011.
April 2012
A Baylor athlete (“Kim”) reported to Waco police that Elliott had forced her to have sex with him. A few weeks later, the woman and her mother said they also reported the assault to Baylor's ombudsman office and were sent to meet with the school's chief judicial officer, Bethany McCraw
A Baylor freshman (“Tanya”) reported to police being at a party and being raped twice by Elliott, who she hadn’t met before
Days later, Tanya said she went to Baylor's campus police department, asking officers if there was anything they could do for her, because she'd been assaulted by a fellow student but was told that counseling or other resources were unavailable
She was placed on probation when her grades dropped, lost her academic scholarship and left Baylor in 2013.
Both women said McCraw's response noted that Kim, also a Baylor athlete, was the sixth woman to report such an incident involving Elliott. Kim alleges that McCraw acknowledged that Art Briles was aware of all the prior accusations.
Baylor coach Art Briles announced that Elliott was suspended indefinitely for violating an unspecified team policy. He didn't elaborate and said he'd have no further comment.
Later it is reported that Elliott was arrested and charged with sexual assault, which is the first time news of any of the incidents is made public.
January 2014
Tevin Elliott is sentenced to 20 years in prison as a result of the incidents with Tanya
In all, five women who reported to police that they were either raped or assaulted -- in incidents from October 2009 to April 2012 -- by Elliott.
The suit claims Baylor did not take any action whatsoever to investigate her claim. It failed to offer her counseling or help as she struggled academically after the assault.
Oakman
February 2012
Oakman is kicked off the Penn State football team for attempting to steal a sandwich and allegedly assaulting a female cashier who tried to stop him – accounts vary from him simply grabbing her wrist to get her card back (his) or more violently shoving her against the wall (hers). He was charged with some misdemeanors and it was reported publicly.
June 2012
Oakman transfers to Baylor, and his past incident was apparently public knowledge.
2012 Football Season
Oakman sits out at Baylor due to transfer rules
January 2013
Police were called to an incident of alleged domestic violence between Oakman and his ex-girlfriend. A written police report was filed accusing Oakman of assault, noting evidence of bruising and including an account from the victim of being thrown around the apartment. The victim declined to press charges
According to the report that came out today (April 25, 2016), there is evidence that Baylor was aware of the incident
No disciplinary actions were taken and the incident did not make it to the media
2013 Football Season
Oakman played in 13 games as a backup defensive end, recording 33 tackles and 2 sacks
2014 Football Season
Oakman earns first team Big 12 honors
2015 Football Season
Oakman earns 2nd team All Big-12 honors and is Baylor’s all-time sack leader
April 2016
Just hours after Starr's comments [regarding the rape scandals], the reports of the alleged Oakman sexual assault began circulating.
Oakman, having graduated, is arrested in Waco and charged with sexually assaulting a Baylor student who went home from the bar with him
The woman went to the hospital after the alleged assault and was examined by a sexual assault nurse examiner, according to the court records.
Ukwauchu
2012 Football Season
Sam Ukwuachu has a freshman All-American season for Boise State
April 2013
Ukwuachu had an altercation with his then-girlfriend and roommates, detailed here (including what someone in the Boise State AD noted around what they knew and who they told it to).
Ukwuachu is dismissed from the Boise State team and transfers to Baylor (this is when all communications between Peterson and Briles would have occurred -- the debate around which is regarding how much Peterson knew and/or disclosed)
2013 Football Season
Ukwuachu is ineligible to play for Baylor in 2013, as Boise State did not support any waivers to allow Ukwuachu to play the 2013 season.
October 2013
A couple months after Ukwuachu arrived on campus, the sexual assault on Jane Doe occurs; Jane Doe goes to the hospital and a rape kit is performed, reported the incident, and in subsequent months is treated for PTSD
Sometime in the months following, the Ukwuachu incident is investigated by the school as required. A few interviews are done of the victim, the accused, the accused's roommate, and potentially other friends. The school finds it more likely than not that the incident did not occur. Rape kit is not checked and the school counselor assisting her with PTSD was not interviewed. Baylor PD does not pursue any further
June 2014
Waco DA deems enough evidence to bring charges and Ukwuachu is indicted on charges of sexual assault; the indictment is sealed and Ukwuachu name is redacted on public indictment reports; the school does not re-open its internal Title IX investigation.
[At the time] the indictment is not public knowledge or reported on by any media.
Summer/Fall 2014
Ukwuachu, under indictment, is not playing for the football team, with coaches citing "some issues", but remains on scholarship and attends the university
Victim (Jane Doe) is told that it is her responsibility to alter class schedules to avoid Ukwuachu.
Jane Doe suffered an injury, preventing her from playing soccer, cited difficulties in rehab due to emotional/psychological issues, and saw her scholarship reduced.
2014 Football Season
Ukwuachu sits out the 2014 season
Spring 2015
Ukwuachu graduates from Baylor and is accepted into graduate school there; Jane Doe transfers to another school to play soccer because of scholarship reduction and other issues
Ukwuachu is participating in strength & conditioning workouts with the team and is mentioned in interviews during summer 2015 as expected to return to play the season
August 2015
Ukwuachu is convicted of sexual assault (against Jane Doe) and sentenced to 10 years of probation.
The victim files a lawsuit against Baylor for their handling of the case
December 31, 2015
It is announced that Baylor and the victim in Ukwuachu's case reached a settlement on her lawsuit with the school. No additional details were provided, presumably as a condition of the settlement
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:15 am to Cooter Davenport
Armstead/Chatman
April 2013
Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman are accused in a sexual assault report. Police report here.
Observations by officers at the scene and a rape exam at a hospital revealed bruises, a bite mark and scratches, and witnesses told police they believed they had heard, from downstairs, noises indicative of an assault. But the woman declined to press charges due to her level of intoxication, and Waco police effectively ended the investigation. The police report notes that it informed Baylor officials about the incident.
Police told the victim that Baylor officials had been contacted and to wait for them to contact her, but she never received a call or email from anyone at Baylor
2013 Football Season
Armstead saw limited action in the 2013 season
2014 Football Season
Armstead is the starting TE during the 2014 season and earns All-Big 12 honors
September 2015
Baylor's investigation of the allegations against Armstead and Chatman related to the April 2013 incident didn't begin until the alleged victim, encouraged by a friend who had attended a recent sexual assault prevention training program at the school, asked Baylor officials about her case in late 2015.
2015 Football Season
Armstead didn't see much playing time
February 2016
Baylor kicked Armstead off its football team and expelled him from school in February 2016 over the 2013 allegations. When Baylor coaches announced his suspension from the team, they said it came as a result of a "team rules violation."
Armstead maintains his innocence and has said he is contemplating a lawsuit against the school for their handling of the incident.
April 2013
Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman are accused in a sexual assault report. Police report here.
Observations by officers at the scene and a rape exam at a hospital revealed bruises, a bite mark and scratches, and witnesses told police they believed they had heard, from downstairs, noises indicative of an assault. But the woman declined to press charges due to her level of intoxication, and Waco police effectively ended the investigation. The police report notes that it informed Baylor officials about the incident.
Police told the victim that Baylor officials had been contacted and to wait for them to contact her, but she never received a call or email from anyone at Baylor
2013 Football Season
Armstead saw limited action in the 2013 season
2014 Football Season
Armstead is the starting TE during the 2014 season and earns All-Big 12 honors
September 2015
Baylor's investigation of the allegations against Armstead and Chatman related to the April 2013 incident didn't begin until the alleged victim, encouraged by a friend who had attended a recent sexual assault prevention training program at the school, asked Baylor officials about her case in late 2015.
2015 Football Season
Armstead didn't see much playing time
February 2016
Baylor kicked Armstead off its football team and expelled him from school in February 2016 over the 2013 allegations. When Baylor coaches announced his suspension from the team, they said it came as a result of a "team rules violation."
Armstead maintains his innocence and has said he is contemplating a lawsuit against the school for their handling of the incident.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:29 am to Farmer1906
Penn State-type coverup going on. Damn. If the NCAA doesn't get involved, we will have a clear case uneven punishment.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:43 am to KaiserSoze99
What happened is that Baylor had flash-in-the-pan "success" with RGIII and for the first time ever had some amount of positive press and name recognition. They had a coach with the perfect offense for their conference. They needed to keep that momentum going and turn it into real accomplishments or lose their one window of opportunity ever.
What they really lacked in order to accomplish that was anyone at all on defense. The trouble with defensive recruiting for them was that even A&M was having a hard time of it and they were completely locked out of the game for in-state talent and had no ability to recruit nationally like a blue-blood program can. But, Briles has no scruples and had no intention ever of running a clean program (is rumored to have been much the same way at Stephenville), so he personally didn't even have to hold his nose as he went scouting for any talented defensive players he could find who were being booted from their current schools - for any reason - and what he assembled from those efforts is this gang of raping thieves. And when they started acting the same way they had elsewhere, Briles went ahead and gave them 3rd & 4th strikes for stuff that is the reason they wound up at Baylor in the first place.
The thing about Baylor is... it's not the case you see at most schools where a couple of bad apples rob someone and get booted, or rape someone and get booted, or assault someone and get booted, and then that's it. it stops once they're gone. That stuff happens. At every program. There's almost no way to prevent a bad apple or two from doing stupid stuff, embarrassing the program, and getting kicked off the team.
At Baylor though, you have several known bad apples being invited in, going on rape sprees, and being allowed to stay. And this happens again and again. This is not the "oh heck everyone has bad apples, you just have to kick them off when you find them" scenario. This is systemic. It's part of the culture there. It's the plan. The Briles Plan. I'm not saying the Briles Plan is for girls to get raped. But the Briles Plan is that Baylor is going to load up on talent that they can't otherwise recruit through the front door by taking any talented miscreants from other schools they can find and then, knowing that these guys are going to most likely get in trouble again, cover it up as best they can when they do.
I mean, Oakman and Uwakchu were ALL AMERICAN LEVEL TALENT and Baylor was still bad on D. Imagine how much Baylor struggles to win without guys like that. The key to their success is their willingness to accept guys like that, knowing they're like that.
What they really lacked in order to accomplish that was anyone at all on defense. The trouble with defensive recruiting for them was that even A&M was having a hard time of it and they were completely locked out of the game for in-state talent and had no ability to recruit nationally like a blue-blood program can. But, Briles has no scruples and had no intention ever of running a clean program (is rumored to have been much the same way at Stephenville), so he personally didn't even have to hold his nose as he went scouting for any talented defensive players he could find who were being booted from their current schools - for any reason - and what he assembled from those efforts is this gang of raping thieves. And when they started acting the same way they had elsewhere, Briles went ahead and gave them 3rd & 4th strikes for stuff that is the reason they wound up at Baylor in the first place.
The thing about Baylor is... it's not the case you see at most schools where a couple of bad apples rob someone and get booted, or rape someone and get booted, or assault someone and get booted, and then that's it. it stops once they're gone. That stuff happens. At every program. There's almost no way to prevent a bad apple or two from doing stupid stuff, embarrassing the program, and getting kicked off the team.
At Baylor though, you have several known bad apples being invited in, going on rape sprees, and being allowed to stay. And this happens again and again. This is not the "oh heck everyone has bad apples, you just have to kick them off when you find them" scenario. This is systemic. It's part of the culture there. It's the plan. The Briles Plan. I'm not saying the Briles Plan is for girls to get raped. But the Briles Plan is that Baylor is going to load up on talent that they can't otherwise recruit through the front door by taking any talented miscreants from other schools they can find and then, knowing that these guys are going to most likely get in trouble again, cover it up as best they can when they do.
I mean, Oakman and Uwakchu were ALL AMERICAN LEVEL TALENT and Baylor was still bad on D. Imagine how much Baylor struggles to win without guys like that. The key to their success is their willingness to accept guys like that, knowing they're like that.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:05 am to Cooter Davenport
The entire Baylor AD is dirty. I remember a staff member telling me about a great recruit named BrittneyGriner that had committed to A&M. Her military family loved A&M and she wanted to attend the veterinarian school.
She ended up signing with Baylor after Kim Mulkey put her daughter on the same team and started following Griner around to every game.
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She ended up signing with Baylor after Kim Mulkey put her daughter on the same team and started following Griner around to every game.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:09 am to Chill98
I remember him. He was Turge's best recruits.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:12 am to Chill98
That's not what she ultimately chose Baylor. Mulkey got even dirtier in order to get her commitment and promised some other things to Griner that were against ncaa rules.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:46 am to K
quote:
Mulkey got even dirtier in order to get her commitment and promised some other things to Griner that were against ncaa rules.
So...Griner gave Mulk some pipe?
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:57 am to TbirdSpur2010
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