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A&M coaches - first 45 games
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:04 am
Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:04 am
D.X. Bible: 36-6-3
R.C. Slocum: 35-9-1
Kevin Sumlin: 33-12
*R.C. Slocum BIG 12: 31-14
Jackie Sherrill: 26-18-1
Emory Bellard: 26-19
Dennis Franchione: 26-19
Mike Sherman: 24-21
Homer Norton: 20-20-5
Bear Bryant only coached 41 games: 25-14-2
R.C. Slocum: 35-9-1
Kevin Sumlin: 33-12
*R.C. Slocum BIG 12: 31-14
Jackie Sherrill: 26-18-1
Emory Bellard: 26-19
Dennis Franchione: 26-19
Mike Sherman: 24-21
Homer Norton: 20-20-5
Bear Bryant only coached 41 games: 25-14-2
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:12 am to CGSC Lobotomy
And Sumlin's done that in the SEC which is impressive
I'm cool with Summy; it's Spav that I'm ready to see get swapped out for an elite offensive coordinator
If can get Chavis for DC, then let's break out the check book and get a top OC
I'm cool with Summy; it's Spav that I'm ready to see get swapped out for an elite offensive coordinator
If can get Chavis for DC, then let's break out the check book and get a top OC
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:57 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Impressive that Sumlin only 2.5 games behind Slocum considering the competition.
And that Slocum came in with a stacked team on both sides of the ball.
And that Slocum came in with a stacked team on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:58 am to texmariner84
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Impressive that Sumlin only 2.5 games behind Slocum considering the competition.
For a far more accurate comparison, compare Slocum's first 45 games in the Big XII to Sumlin's first 45 games like I did in the original post.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:32 am to CGSC Lobotomy
R.C. at A&M was a much classier version of Bret Bielema at Wisky.
He inherited a well-oiled machine assembled by a better coach and played in a weak conference/division where he was able to sleepwalk to high in-season win-counts before losing all his bowl games because that's when he finally faced similar talent and motivation but better actual coaching.
He inherited a well-oiled machine assembled by a better coach and played in a weak conference/division where he was able to sleepwalk to high in-season win-counts before losing all his bowl games because that's when he finally faced similar talent and motivation but better actual coaching.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:41 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I think it is important to remember a couple things.
First, Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC, the lone exception being 2013 Auburn. Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced. After this season Sumlin will likely be 7-1 against those teams largely because of how bad they have been which is an anomaly.
Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015.
Third and perhaps most importantly, Sumlin had tGOAT college QB, Mike Evans and the best college offensive line I've ever seen fall into his lap which produced the one season we all hang out hats on when we talk about where he can take our program.
Just things to consider
First, Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC, the lone exception being 2013 Auburn. Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced. After this season Sumlin will likely be 7-1 against those teams largely because of how bad they have been which is an anomaly.
Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015.
Third and perhaps most importantly, Sumlin had tGOAT college QB, Mike Evans and the best college offensive line I've ever seen fall into his lap which produced the one season we all hang out hats on when we talk about where he can take our program.
Just things to consider
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:45 am to CGSC Lobotomy
When the Big XII started it was the north that was by far the better division. A&M was the best program in the South from '96-'98, which is where Slocum got most of his Big XII wins. His conference record from '99-'02 was not good.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:48 am to Roger Klarvin
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I think it is important to remember a couple things.
First, Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC, the lone exception being 2013 Auburn. Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced. After this season Sumlin will likely be 7-1 against those teams largely because of how bad they have been which is an anomaly.
Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015.
Third and perhaps most importantly, Sumlin had tGOAT college QB, Mike Evans and the best college offensive line I've ever seen fall into his lap which produced the one season we all hang out hats on when we talk about where he can take our program.
Just things to consider
Glad I'm not the only one who sees this, we have a lot of work to do, a lot.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:50 am to Roger Klarvin
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Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015.
I definitely disagree with this
2012
#9 Florida (7-1) 11-2, 2nd place in east
Mizzou (2-6) 5-7 5th in east
2013
#5 Mizzou (7-1) 11-2 division champ
#24 Vandy (4-4) 9-4 4th in east
2014
#14 Mizzou (7-1) 11-3 division champ
South Carolina (3-5) 7-6 5th in east
It looks like we got a great setup this year but I don't see how you can argue we got an easy east draw when we played the division champ in 13 and 14 and UF in 12, who went to the Sugar Bowl that year
I am interested to see where USC goes from here since they aren't a historical power at all but have a pretty good setup as far as access to talent.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:51 am to texmariner84
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Slocum came in with a stacked team on both sides of the ball.
Sumlin came in with a ridiculous amount of NFL talent as well
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:54 am to Roger Klarvin
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Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced.
I'm not disagreeing with your premise. But just to nit-pick a bit, we had a chance to win both the '10 & '11 Arky games and blew it. The general theme to those Sherman-coached Arky games was that we (in typical Sherman fashion) choked our way to losses. 4 turnovers in '10, one of which occurred to kill the go-ahead drive at the end of the 4th. We lead 36-17 at half in '11. It wasn't that our scheme was bad or that we were outclassed in terms of talent. Had Sherman not been an epic choke all-star, we should of/could of won 2 of 3.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:05 am to Agforlife
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Glad I'm not the only one who sees this, we have a lot of work to do, a lot.
And wouldn't you agree that Sumlin has been effective in addressing most (all) issues that have presented themselves so far?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:06 am to Roger Klarvin
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I think it is important to always look for a reason that we actually aren't any good.
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First, Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC, the lone exception being 2013 Auburn. Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced. After this season Sumlin will likely be 7-1 against those teams largely because of how bad they have been which is an anomaly.
Sherman would probably be, at best, 2-2 vs the Arky teams Sumlin has played.
Historically speaking, Bama and LSU have actually been better while we've been in the league. Same for Ole Miss and MSU.
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Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015.
1. Pinkel finished 5-7 in 2012, but that was not his worst Mizzu team. He had a 4-7 record in 2001, 5-7 record in 2002, and 5-6 record in 2004. Given the state of the B12 North during that time, I'd say the level of competition compared to even the SEC East makes all three of the seasons I listed worse than Pinkel's 2012.
2. And besides that, they won the SEC East the past two years. Literally no other West team has had to play the eventual East winner twice in the regular season.
3. This year's Gamecocks might be Spurrier's worst team in South Carolina, but it's hard to argue that last year's team was definitely the second worst. He finished 7-6 last year. But he finished 6-6 in 2007, and 7-6 in 2008 and 2009.
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Third and perhaps most importantly, Sumlin had tGOAT college QB, Mike Evans and the best college offensive line I've ever seen fall into his lap which produced the one season we all hang out hats on when we talk about where he can take our program.
And Sherman had still been our coach, Showers would have played in 2012.
I don't hang my hat on 2012. I hang my hat on how he's recruiting, as well as how he is willing to correct mistakes and make hires like Chavis and Christensen.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:07 am to NanosTacoRun
Where did I ever say he wasn't, all I said was we have a lot of work to do. We aren't anywhere near where we need to be, and it's going to a long painful journey.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:12 am to Agforlife
quote:meh. We are about to probably have a 10 win season and will probably do so again next year while still recruiting at a high level. We can argue all about whether or not we will take the next step under sumlin but we are knocking on the door and if sumlin doesn't get it done, the new coach will inherit a better situation considering the actual quality of team and depth
We aren't anywhere near where we need to be, and it's going to a long painful journey
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC
But the Mississippi teams have been unusually above average/good to very good since we have arrived. So that's a push.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:15 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
The 2014 Mizzu team wasn't very good, they just played in a bad division. We saw how "good" they were against Bama in the title game.
After this year, we'll have played 2/8 East opponents who had any business beating us. That's pretty damn easy.
After this year, we'll have played 2/8 East opponents who had any business beating us. That's pretty damn easy.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:16 am to Agforlife
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Where did I ever say he wasn't, all I said was we have a lot of work to do. We aren't anywhere near where we need to be, and it's going to a long painful journey.
We're top 15 with a young offense and a young defense.
I don't understand the angst, and I definitely do not agree that we're "a long, painful journey" away.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:17 am to Cooter Davenport
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ut the Mississippi teams have been unusually above average/good to very good since we have arrived. So that's a push.
Nope, the 2012, 2013 and 2015 Mississippi schools were/are pretty par for the course. 2014 was the only outlier for both and guess what, both blew us out. Which just furthers my point.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:18 am to Roger Klarvin
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First, Auburn and Arkansas have been unusually below average/bad since we arrived in the SEC, the lone exception being 2013 Auburn. Mike Sherman was 0-3 against Arkansas but likely would have been 3-0 had he played the teams Sumlin has faced.
You're forgetting Sherman's second half meltdowns. We'd be 1-5 against Arky if we had Sherman, the one exception being Bert's first year.
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Second, we have been gifted great East opponents since we arrived. The worst Mizzu team ever under Pinkel in 2012, Vandy in 2013 AND 2015 and the worst USC teams ever under Spurrier in 2014 and 2015
Cyclical. The teams with the easiest east draws have always done well, and the ones with the hardest have done poorly. 2012 Bama got Mizzou too.
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Third and perhaps most importantly, Sumlin had tGOAT college QB, Mike Evans and the best college offensive line I've ever seen fall into his lap which produced the one season we all hang out hats on when we talk about where he can take our program.
I've always been skeptical of the OL with Manziel. Running QBs always make OLs look good, because they force the DL to sit in containment. If it was such a great OL, why was Manziel running for his life so much?
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Arkansas: Look at their record since joining the SEC. Sherman faced them at possibly their best in 20 years. My point here is that Arky has been a middle of the road team for decades. They have a good 10 win season every now and then, but that's it. Could they win another NC? Sure, same with a CC. But they aren't going to be better than where they were with Petrino too often. They are a dangerous team that not even bama can shrug off easily. Also note that Miles has a loss to Bert, Sumlin does not.
Auburn: Proof that sometimes, the football gods just like to frick with a fanbase.
OM/MSU: We should be winning these games at 4-1 / 3-1 consistently year in and out. So far Sumlin is doing that (5-2 total) at both program's historical peaks. Consider that Miles at LSU is also 5-2 vs the Mississippi schools over the same 4 year period (OM left to play for both). Saban is 5-2 as well.
LSU is at a historical high point as well, just at a longer run than the Miss schools. They are mortal just like everyone else. Since 1990, LSU has had SEVEN losing seasons (5-7 or worse). A&M has had just THREE since as far back as 1984. LSU has a much lower floor than we do, and it will be surprising if Miles retires and they are able to continue their success level.
Alabama: Saban is just too good. Everyone else's hope is that the game starts to pass him by, or he retires.
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