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Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:12 pm to Mars United
I know a bunch. All of them aren't named Mike Evans. Both side so this debate are really tiresome tbh.
Just as certain posters always complain based on ratings, others always give the same examples as if every guy is Mike Evans. We also took Tyrell Taylor in that class.
Many 3* guys are awesome. Many aren't. The truth is that no one really knows which Kibodi will be.
Also, for your example, you should probably start using McCoy before it looks too dated.
Just as certain posters always complain based on ratings, others always give the same examples as if every guy is Mike Evans. We also took Tyrell Taylor in that class.
Many 3* guys are awesome. Many aren't. The truth is that no one really knows which Kibodi will be.
Also, for your example, you should probably start using McCoy before it looks too dated.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:34 pm to tmc94
I'm just tired of people dogging recruits because so called experts put three stars next to their name. The truth is, nobody knows how these kids will do in college. For every 5* that works out, you'll have three who doesn't work out, and that's the same for every star ranking. I wish people would stop stressing about what some morbidly obese man and a bathroom stalker thinks about kids and just trust the coaches.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:38 pm to Mars United
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:49 pm to Mars United
Lol dude look at our roster and look at who contributes/starts. You could name the 3 stars on one hand. There's a reason this is the best team we've had in awhile. Yet this class we have nearly 3x the amount of 3 stars committed as we do 4* and above. We're not dogging the recruits individually. Any one of them could become great. We're dogging the staff and questioning their plan bc historically speaking classes like this don't produce SEC champions.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:53 pm to Mars United
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For every 5* that works out, you'll have three who doesn't work out, and that's the same for every star ranking.
Not quite. Someone analyzed the 2010 recruiting class and 2014 NFL draft and found:
60% of 5 stars get drafted
20% of 4 stars get drafted
6% of 3 stars get drafted
3% of 2 stars get drafted
There are exceptions to each "rule", every draft/recruiting class is different, and we're trying to build the best college football team, not the best NFL draft class; but generally speaking, it's proven over and over again that 5 stars are better than 4 stars are better than 3 stars.
And fit/evaluation/development are just as important.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:03 pm to NanosTacoRun
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:20 pm to Cooter Davenport
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A) If we take them early I am very happy to have them. That means the coaches evaluated them, decided they fit our scheme, and took them before anyone else wised up about them.
I think this argument is even stronger right now, since we're riding high in the polls. The coaches know better than any of us that success on the field breeds success in recruiting. They wouldn't take Kibodi right now unless they actually really liked him.
Here's a good article on Kibodi w/ quotes from his coach, saying he has a higher ceiling than any player he's coached, including 5 who played at P5 schools.
LINK
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:40 pm to NanosTacoRun
I have no idea if Kibodi will end up being a player for us or not. But I'm not sure the likelihood of being drafted in the NFL first round, which is the focus of this article, is necessarily the end all be all for assembling a college team.
Trayveon Williams was not a 5 star recruit, but he seems to thrive in Mazzone's running game behind Turners' blocking schemes. Maybe it would be a different story, though, in another school, in another system. I'm guessing he was not rated a 5 star partly due to his smaller stature.
He's smaller than, say, Leonard Fournette, but this does not appear to be as big of an issue in college football. But it could affect his draft status down the road in the NFL. Fournette just on size alone, will probably be the more coveted NFL prospect and drafted higher.
Also NFL offenses are quite a bit different than what we see across the landscape of college football, where the spread attacks proliferate.
But that doesn't mean Williams can't be a very effective running back for us in our spread offense.
Sure, the probability of a 5 star working out for you is higher than a 3 star. But that doesn't mean these other dudes can't be good players for you if you are matching player to system correctly. Stanford really excels in that department.
Trayveon Williams was not a 5 star recruit, but he seems to thrive in Mazzone's running game behind Turners' blocking schemes. Maybe it would be a different story, though, in another school, in another system. I'm guessing he was not rated a 5 star partly due to his smaller stature.
He's smaller than, say, Leonard Fournette, but this does not appear to be as big of an issue in college football. But it could affect his draft status down the road in the NFL. Fournette just on size alone, will probably be the more coveted NFL prospect and drafted higher.
Also NFL offenses are quite a bit different than what we see across the landscape of college football, where the spread attacks proliferate.
But that doesn't mean Williams can't be a very effective running back for us in our spread offense.
Sure, the probability of a 5 star working out for you is higher than a 3 star. But that doesn't mean these other dudes can't be good players for you if you are matching player to system correctly. Stanford really excels in that department.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:53 pm to NanosTacoRun
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There are exceptions to each "rule", every draft/recruiting class is different, and we're trying to build the best college football team
This. The reason that Bama and Ohio St are always in the national title hunt is because they recruit the highest ranked classes year in and year out. Some of those 5 stars don't work out and some of the 3 stars do, but the talent level overall is much higher.
Looking at Kibodi, there have been a couple misses at the RB position (Toneil Carter and Travis Etienne's decommit) that led to his offer. Hopefully Etienne gets back in the fold, but most the 3 star pick ups so far are a product of missing on higher rated prospects.
Between the staff battling negative perception from earlier this year, and a lot of top recruits taking a wait and see approach with A&M this season, it's easy to see why we lack star power at this particular time with this particular class. Keep winning and it will hopefully fix itself down the stretch.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 2:57 pm to NanosTacoRun
I don't feel like all positions are the same when it comes to stars.
Skill position players like WRs or RBs? I won't sweat a three star.
DL, QB, or CB? I want to see stars.
Skill position players like WRs or RBs? I won't sweat a three star.
DL, QB, or CB? I want to see stars.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:52 pm to PikeBishop
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But I'm not sure the likelihood of being drafted in the NFL first round, which is the focus of this article, is necessarily the end all be all for assembling a college team.
The numbers I quoted were for the entire draft, not just the 1st round.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:59 pm to cardboardboxer
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I don't feel like all positions are the same when it comes to stars.
Skill position players like WRs or RBs? I won't sweat a three star.
DL, QB, or CB? I want to see stars.
Agree. Stars on defense are typically more slightly more important than stars on offense.
Totally with you on DL. Coincidentally, stars on OL seem to be the least predictive, due to the major weight gains required for almost every recruit. Seems like it's a crapshoot which ones will be able to handle the 20-40 additional lbs
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:07 pm to dabadger
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Looking at Kibodi, there have been a couple misses at the RB position (Toneil Carter and Travis Etienne's decommit) that led to his offer.
After Etienne committed, we told Carter we were full at RB because we only wanted 1 in this class.
Yet we offered Kibodi after seeing him in person at a satellite camp while Etienne was still committed.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:28 pm to tmc94
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Yet we offered Kibodi after seeing him in person at a satellite camp while Etienne was still committed.
True, but there were a ton of rumblings he planned to decommit prior to us offering Kibodi
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:30 pm to tmc94
Recruiting rankings absolutely matter on a MACRO scale. Gotta have a 50% blue chip roster if you want to be in the conversation at the end of the year.
Now on an offer by offer and positional basis, to me DT/DE are the two positions I most covet highly ranked guys. You can coach up kids with holes in their game or weaknesses in one of their physical attribute dept's for most positions.
There are only so many elite kids with combination of size and JUICE each year to play on the DL at a high level. You can always point to outliers but that's my feeling anyway.
Now on an offer by offer and positional basis, to me DT/DE are the two positions I most covet highly ranked guys. You can coach up kids with holes in their game or weaknesses in one of their physical attribute dept's for most positions.
There are only so many elite kids with combination of size and JUICE each year to play on the DL at a high level. You can always point to outliers but that's my feeling anyway.
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:31 pm to swaggyp
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:32 pm to tmc94
The offer came shortly before Etienne's decommitment (about a week). From what I remember, there were already rumblings of Etienne opening things back up and the staff was working on a contingency plan.
And at the time, yes we only wanted 1 RB. But with Kibodi being the only one on board now, isn't the staff still pursuing Etienne?
And at the time, yes we only wanted 1 RB. But with Kibodi being the only one on board now, isn't the staff still pursuing Etienne?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:49 pm to dabadger
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there were already rumblings of Etienne opening things back up
This is correct. But you said us "missing on higher rated prospects" "led to his offer." I'm okay with whatever opinion you hold, provided it is rooted in fact.
In this case, we'd be okay not getting a RB this year and passed on the opportunity to have 2 early. But the staff liked Kibodi enough to make a spot for him. I don't know if they are right, but suggesting it was some desperate attempt to get a RB belies the facts.
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But with Kibodi being the only one on board now, isn't the staff still pursuing Etienne?
yes, and we expect to get him.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:05 pm to tmc94
I guess what I'm saying/speculating is that I'm not sure Kibodi would have been offered if they did not feel that Etienne was about to decommit.
I don't know this for sure. But logically, if we told Carter to move on, it would be a bit surprising if the staff suddenly changed their mind and A) wanted to 2 running backs and B) felt that Kibodi was better than Carter.
Maybe they do feel like he will be better. But it seems like the timing of it all has created a fluid situation.
I don't know this for sure. But logically, if we told Carter to move on, it would be a bit surprising if the staff suddenly changed their mind and A) wanted to 2 running backs and B) felt that Kibodi was better than Carter.
Maybe they do feel like he will be better. But it seems like the timing of it all has created a fluid situation.
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