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re: 2017 Spring Football
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:06 am to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:06 am to Cooter Davenport
Easy killer. No need to get mad at each other, save your anger for our coaches.
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:10 am to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
I think we are all just really frustrated that here we are at year six of this regime and the program is not as good as where he found it.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:38 am to The Balinese Club
When it comes to OL Jim Turner was just Mike Sherman's drill sergeant. He has attention to detail, and he can get what he wants out of his guys but he doesn't know what he's looking for/at unfortunately.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:27 am to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
This thread has gone about the same way November has for our football team under Sumlin
Posted on 4/10/17 at 12:53 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
We shouldn't be surprised, this board has been dead since after the bowl game. The realistic people on the board can see the writing on the wall and know this won't be a good season or anything worth getting excited about.
It's time for a change, that's the simplest way to put it. My favorite sumlin apologist excuse is that he's a good recruiter and bringing good kids in, then in the same breath that poster will talk about how screwed we are at QB. And it's not just the QB position, we've got holes all over this team in various positions, just wanted to use an example of the people who desperately think we need to hang on to him.
Don't be afraid of the unknown: take a chance instead of rolling with the guaranteed 8-5. Sure we might hit another fran, but we also might get the next dabo Sweeney.
It's time for a change, that's the simplest way to put it. My favorite sumlin apologist excuse is that he's a good recruiter and bringing good kids in, then in the same breath that poster will talk about how screwed we are at QB. And it's not just the QB position, we've got holes all over this team in various positions, just wanted to use an example of the people who desperately think we need to hang on to him.
Don't be afraid of the unknown: take a chance instead of rolling with the guaranteed 8-5. Sure we might hit another fran, but we also might get the next dabo Sweeney.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 1:52 pm to Texas Gentleman
I noticed the SEC Network commentators were making excuses for Sumlin.
"This will be the hardest schedule Kevin Sumlin has had since coming to A&M" - among others.
"This will be the hardest schedule Kevin Sumlin has had since coming to A&M" - among others.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 3:45 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
If it's true, how is it an excuse. Sounds like they're analyzing the schedule.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 3:48 pm to Texas Gentleman
My wife told me unprompted yesterday that she is upset we're going to be bad this year and she's already dreading it lol.
I didn't think I was that bad....
I didn't think I was that bad....
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:16 pm to Farmer1906
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If it's true, how is it an excuse. Sounds like they're analyzing the schedule.
"Sumlin only went 5-7. With an easier schedule, he would have easily won 8 or more games. Surely he needs to be there another year. Why would you fire him?"
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:55 am to The Balinese Club
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Sumlin will do no better than 7-5 this year. He needs to be fired and we need to rebuild. We don't need another "spread" type of coach; we need a no bullshite hardnose bad arse that will toughen up these candy asses.
Yeah, I used to think we were on good shape because we went out and hired ourselves a proven coach from a power conference who fit this description. He's 0 and 4 against your coach and has a substantially worse record for barely less money
I don't know what Arkansas and Texas A&M's problem is - aTm more so than us. At least we have clear-cut recruiting disadvantages we can shake our fists at. TAMU is a legit potential sleeping giant, and I can only honestly say that about probably 10 underperforming teams in the nation. Big bad Texas is even worse. They're actually bad, you're just not as good as you should be.
Is Texas high school football overrated? Do Texas teams just have a habit of hiring coaches with the wrong philosophies? Is it plain bad luck?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:45 am to VagueMessage
I think one of the reasons is that there are so many spread teams in Texas. O-Lineman dont have to block for the run very often, and Defensive players have the 7-on-7 mentality. This makes it harder to evaluate guys, and it takes them a lot longer to get up to speed once they're here. Then we haven't locked down the few elite defensive players that did rise above.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:05 am to Pitch To Johnny
Exactly! Texas is no longer producing a large quantity of elite physical linemen on either side of the ball.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:17 pm to VagueMessage
It's simple really, Texas high school football isn't as good as Texans like to claim it is and high school coaches coach like they're playing a game of Madden on easy mode. There's no physicality on defense and offensive players just care about numbers. It also doesn't help that the towns treat their star players like gods so they come into college thinking that they are owed everything and they shouldn't have to work for anything.
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 2:23 pm to Mars United
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It also doesn't help that the towns treat their star players like gods so they come into college thinking that they are owed everything and they shouldn't have to work for anything.
you could probly say this about most states but its just another level here in texas because of all the small farm towns with not much else to bring people together. Odessa got it going and gave everyone else an itch they cant scratch. I have famly in La Grange and Columbus and the excitement in those communities when the Schobel brothers and Ty Gunn were committed to TCU was extraordinary, not much different now with the dobbins kid. Talent in the state is whats overrated
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:41 pm to Mars United
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It's simple really, Texas high school football isn't as good as Texans like to claim it is and high school coaches coach like they're playing a game of Madden on easy mode. There's no physicality on defense and offensive players just care about numbers. It also doesn't help that the towns treat their star players like gods so they come into college thinking that they are owed everything and they shouldn't have to work for anything.
So essentially high school football operates exactly the way Sumlin runs his program.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 4:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
Totally untrue for the Lake Travis cavaliers. They play and train extremely hard every year to compete for championships. The last thing they are worried about it showcasing big numbers. They want to win, that's their number one goal. No "I" in that team.
And no physicality on defense? This guy hasn't watched teams like Allen, Lake Travis, and Katy (who recently fielded one of the greatest HS defenses ever in 2015 - posting 10 shutouts and allowing 62 points all year). That Katy defense physically destroyed OL and QBs, and beheaded WRs who had the guts to catch underneath passes. So physical defense/football is alive in Texas. Perhaps fewer teams are that way, but it still exists in this state.
I hate it when dummies make mindless comments about things... Things they know nothing about.
And no physicality on defense? This guy hasn't watched teams like Allen, Lake Travis, and Katy (who recently fielded one of the greatest HS defenses ever in 2015 - posting 10 shutouts and allowing 62 points all year). That Katy defense physically destroyed OL and QBs, and beheaded WRs who had the guts to catch underneath passes. So physical defense/football is alive in Texas. Perhaps fewer teams are that way, but it still exists in this state.
I hate it when dummies make mindless comments about things... Things they know nothing about.
Posted on 4/13/17 at 8:28 am to The Silverback
I don't think there is any issue with Texas HS football, I think we just haven't gotten enough of the right guys. There is easily enough talent to sustain 2-3 top level elite programs, but you have to lock it down. Ohio State can't take 4 kids from the state top 10, especially on defense.
To win consistently in the SECw, our classes need to look like 14 and 15 almost every year. Those classes were really top heavy as well, so their rankings were somewhat inflated.
Almost everything about the Sumlin tenure has been a facade.
To win consistently in the SECw, our classes need to look like 14 and 15 almost every year. Those classes were really top heavy as well, so their rankings were somewhat inflated.
Almost everything about the Sumlin tenure has been a facade.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 2:49 pm to Nguyening
I've been watching the spring game this morning and I honestly don't see things nearly as bad as some here have said it is. Really the main thing that stands out as an issue is dropped balls on passes, mainly by the TEs. I also think Starkel looks far and away like the best QB on the field and will be surprised if he isn't the opening day starter.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 1:08 pm to Dr RC
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I also think Starkel looks far and away like the best QB on the field and will be surprised if he isn't the opening day starter.
I agree. I saw a clear distinction between him and the others. Not an enormous one, but definite enough that I think he'll be the starter for UCLA.
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Really the main thing that stands out as an issue is dropped balls on passes, mainly by the TEs.
The bright side of that is, since we don't ever throw to the TE in real games, we don't have to worry about them dropping it.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 4:26 pm to Cooter Davenport
The bright side is our expectations are low so we can maybe be surprised.
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