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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:43 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:43 am to cardboardboxer
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:43 am to TexasAg13
The ONLY coach worth this is currently picking out homes in Auburn, AL. Bud Foster isn't worth going from potentially the #2 class on America to a fringe top-10 class. I'll take Jefferson, Sheffield and Mack with a B luster over Foster without a second thought.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:45 am to TexasAg13
Good Lord, how rampant speculation becomes "yup, I bet that's how it happened!" "everyone listen to this rumor!" etc etc.
I'm going to say it: most of you who are in full blown melt mode would not be doing this if the other team wasn't Texas. We missed out on a five star recruit. Oh no. It happens. We still have the #4 recruiting class right now. We would be dying to be in this position 5 years ago.
Until these doom and gloom scenarios play out, I'll be enjoying my time following the team. Melting is such an easy way out. If things go well, then fine you're happily surprised. But if things don't, then you go can "see! I was right" Such an easy defense mechanism.
I'm going to say it: most of you who are in full blown melt mode would not be doing this if the other team wasn't Texas. We missed out on a five star recruit. Oh no. It happens. We still have the #4 recruiting class right now. We would be dying to be in this position 5 years ago.
Until these doom and gloom scenarios play out, I'll be enjoying my time following the team. Melting is such an easy way out. If things go well, then fine you're happily surprised. But if things don't, then you go can "see! I was right" Such an easy defense mechanism.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:51 am to Projectpat
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I'm going to say it: most of you who are in full blown melt mode would not be doing this if the other team wasn't Texas. We missed out on a five star recruit. Oh no. It happens. We still have the #4 recruiting class right now. We would be dying to be in this position 5 years ago.
Why do you think that is some big revelation? YES, the fact that our biggest recruiting rival was just brought back from the dead by our own doing is a huge part of this. Nobody is denying that and nobody needed you to clarify it.
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Until these doom and gloom scenarios play out, I'll be enjoying my time following the team. Melting is such an easy way out. If things go well, then fine you're happily surprised. But if things don't, then you go can "see! I was right" Such an easy defense mechanism.
I think blind support is much easier than admitting you might have been wrong and that changes may be needed. Talking about the program going back from whence it came isn't easy at all.
And you won't "melt" even if everything went to shite. Your continues support of Billy Kennedy proves this. It may be "noble" to you but to accost others for bring unwilling to join you is silly.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:55 am to Roger Klarvin
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Why do you think that is some big revelation? YES, the fact that our biggest recruiting rival was just brought back from the dead by our own doing is a huge part of this. Nobody is denying that and nobody needed you to clarify it.
I don't buy that landing one recruit has "brought them back from the dead." I really don't.
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I think blind support is much easier than admitting you might have been wrong and that changes may be needed.
Plenty of changes are needed. I was happy that Snyder was fired and I sure as hell hope that Spav isn't calling the plays next year. Saying that one recruit not picking us doesn't require full on panic mode isn't "blind support."
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And you won't "melt" even if everything went to shite.
I sure would, but I'm going to wait for everything to go to shite before I do. Until you take the "I bet"s and "This is going to happen"s out of it, I'm good.
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Your continues support of Billy Kennedy proves this.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The ONLY coach worth this is currently picking out homes in Auburn, AL. Bud Foster isn't worth going from potentially the #2 class on America to a fringe top-10 class.
I will agree to disagree. Especially because I think getting Bud Foster could get us in on some last-minute NSD races we aren't in right now.
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I'll take Jefferson, Sheffield and Mack with a B luster over Foster without a second thought.
Would you take all those guys if the only option was keeping Snyder? That is the real question, and the one Sumlin answered for us.
As easy as it is for us to play armchair QB with his program, it is his program. He is friends with these guys, they had a hell of a ride in 2012 together that could really bond people. If HE is cutting so many coaches, then it could be things are worse than we think. Malik and a five win season next year helps no one.
I agree with your premise in general that defense is 90% talent and 10% coaching, but we haven't gotten that full 10% in over a decade.
Plus, from the start with Sumlin the ticket has been offense. We are melting over missing a 5 star on the side of the ball he sucks at, while this week we got a surprise five star on the side of the ball where he made his fame. Honestly Charlie, a defensive coach, getting a few big defensive commits his first year makes sense in the same way.
This was a frustrating day, and the first time since his hire that my confidence is shaken. Still I am not willing to give up hope until the DC hire is announced.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Your continues support of Billy Kennedy proves this.
Wait you didn't get that joke?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Mack is gone
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:09 pm to Raid05
frick everything
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Wait you didn't get that joke?
Billy Kennedy is the joke.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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Would you take all those guys if the only option was keeping Snyder?
No, but I fail to see how that is relevant. We haven't hired someone yet because Sumlin shot for the moon (apparently without much assurance of anything) instead of making a realistic hire in a timely fashion.
Its not like we haven't hired someone because every jow blow DC out there has turned us down.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:10 pm to TexasAg13
Sumlin is dead in my mind
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:14 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
I realize your emotions are fragile right now but like 3/4 of what he posts about Kennedy is extremely tongue in cheek. Not hard to see that.
Back to the thread, it looks like these few days will be the undoing of Sumlin
Back to the thread, it looks like these few days will be the undoing of Sumlin
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:17 pm to cardboardboxer
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[2008]Yeah, we prefer recruits who want to be Aggies[/2008]
That ain't what I'm saying at all. Look, if this kid is so impatient that he HAS to make his commitment before seeing what we do then he sounds like he is a potential locker room problem. He doesn't have to commit right now. It's not like tomorrow is NSD. If he can't deal with the fact that Sumlin won't tell him who we are looking at he has a coddling issue that we don't need to deal with.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:17 pm to Projectpat
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but I'm going to wait for everything to go to shite before I do.
Well Mack is now officially gone, and rumblings are that Murray is considering flipping to Oregon.
You ready to melt yet?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:17 pm to cardboardboxer
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[2008]Yeah, we prefer recruits who want to be Aggies[/2008]
That ain't what I'm saying at all. Look, if this kid is so impatient that he HAS to make his commitment before seeing what we do then he sounds like he is a potential locker room problem. He doesn't have to commit right now. It's not like tomorrow is NSD. If he can't deal with the fact that Sumlin won't tell him who we are looking at he has a coddling issue that we don't need to deal with.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
I can see that. It certainly seems Sumlin has had more trouble recruiting a grown man to buy a dream than selling kids on the same thing.
I can also see why you were want to turbo melt about it now. With us losing Mack its is all coming apart. I will wait until the DC hire to let the full melt out, if only for a better Christmas. It is a personal decision.
But I get where you are coming from. This whole season, everything since 2012, was about signing a huge class for momentum going forward. With that lost, so is our hope.
No matter what we are stuck with Sumlin until 2016. I guess the best hope we have is that there are better choices for head coaches then than a UF had this cycle.
I can also see why you were want to turbo melt about it now. With us losing Mack its is all coming apart. I will wait until the DC hire to let the full melt out, if only for a better Christmas. It is a personal decision.
But I get where you are coming from. This whole season, everything since 2012, was about signing a huge class for momentum going forward. With that lost, so is our hope.
No matter what we are stuck with Sumlin until 2016. I guess the best hope we have is that there are better choices for head coaches then than a UF had this cycle.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Well Mack is now officially gone
Yikes.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:22 pm to Dr RC
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Look, if this kid is so impatient that he HAS to make his commitment before seeing what we do then he sounds like he is a potential locker room problem
It is the opposite. This kid was the key to a good defensive recruiting class. With him gone, so goes ANY chance of a "Wrecking Crew" the next few years.
What really sucks is after so many fail coaching hires Sumlin seemed like the guy. If he isn't the guy, maybe we never get "the guy."
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