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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:56 am to Libertyabides71
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And DC Rebel just said your recruiting has been inconsistent since the 1980s. Get on the same page.
It sure has.
That, however, isn't a logical setup for "DEY IS CHEETIN!!!!!!!1"
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:57 am to Libertyabides71
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That same spring his high school coach accepts a job at Ole Miss. Not an administrative role but a full assistant coach/coordinator job under Ed Orgeron.
Don't let the facts get in the way buddy. Keep fighting the good fight. Roll Tide
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In 2005, the University of Mississippi hired Freeze as an assistant athletic director for football external affairs. The following season, he became the tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator, positions he held through 2007.[2]
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Prior to taking over as head coach at Lambuth, Freeze served on the Ole Miss staff from 2005-07, including the final two seasons as an assistant coach. He originally arrived in Oxford as Assistant Athletics Director for External Affairs before being named the Rebels' recruiting coordinator and tight ends coach before the 2006 season.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:58 am to hoghunter
OLD PISS WEBEL BEARS R WASICT CHEETARS!!!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:01 am to Libertyabides71
What it also did is put a freaking spot light on his recruitment the size of the sun, as if some dingleberry gump needs to further enlighten the world. The NCAA investigated Oher. What is your point in discussing him?
We can fix ignorant. Stupid is a fatal flaw.
We can fix ignorant. Stupid is a fatal flaw.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:10 am to rebeloke
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Stupid is a fatal flaw.
I think we may be dealing with more than stupidity. If the Briarcrest Enrollment hypothesis isn't insanity, then it's just one of the most ridiculous and intellectually dishonest arguments that I have ever seen.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:15 am to dtmb
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I think we may be dealing with more than stupidity. If the Briarcrest Enrollment hypothesis isn't insanity, then it's just one of the most ridiculous and intellectually dishonest arguments that I have ever seen.
What hypothesis? I just said its weird for coaches from smaller schools to make the jump straight to SEC school. Had he went to Lambuth first or a bigger public memphis school it would make more sense.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:31 am to Libertyabides71
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Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
I'm trying to understand your argument. You say that having a class of three stars and one or two "super elite" guys is a red flag. What wouldn't be a red flag to you? Are you saying that a school can't improve its recruiting classes without buying players? Is your point that only select few colleges are entitled to recruit top-caliber guys, regardless of other circumstances like ties to a particular school or the relationship a player has with a coach?
For the sake of discussion, let's just assume that Hugh Freeze is a personable coach who relates well with recruits and their parents, and he has instant playing time to sell. You don't have to admit to that. I'm just asking you to assume that it's true for the purposes of my next question. Are you saying that simply because he signs a class that has even one or two highly rated players - regardless of any other facts - that is all it takes to suspect that Ole Miss is cheating somehow?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:50 am to Libertyabides71
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Libertyabides71 changed most of the relevant details.
FIFY
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:57 am to dtmb
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I'm trying to understand your argument. You say that having a class of three stars and one or two "super elite" guys is a red flag. What wouldn't be a red flag to you? Are you saying that a school can't improve its recruiting classes without buying players? Is your point that only select few colleges are entitled to recruit top-caliber guys, regardless of other circumstances like ties to a particular school or the relationship a player has with a coach?
For the sake of discussion, let's just assume that Hugh Freeze is a personable coach who relates well with recruits and their parents, and he has instant playing time to sell. You don't have to admit to that. I'm just asking you to assume that it's true for the purposes of my next question. Are you saying that simply because he signs a class that has even one or two highly rated players - regardless of any other facts - that is all it takes to suspect that Ole Miss is cheating somehow?
If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. your classes would resemble ours. Would they not? Consistency throughout classes and year to year would be a sign he has improved.
Saban is a great recruiter. Freeze lands a few guys. A great recruiter has the top class in conference consistently not one or two top guys and the same class Ole Miss has had for the past decade.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:03 pm to Libertyabides71
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If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. Your classes would resemble ours would they not?
This tells everyone in this thread what we need to know.
Oh this is a special kind of stupid.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:14 pm to Libertyabides71
Gump, your ranting in this thread make it very obvious...
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:28 pm to Libertyabides71
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If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. your classes would resemble ours. Would they not? Consistency throughout classes and year to year would be a sign he has improved. Saban is a great recruiter. Freeze lands a few guys. A great recruiter has the top class in conference consistently not one or two top guys and the same class Ole Miss has had for the past decade.
Wow..
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:33 pm to Libertyabides71
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If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. your classes would resemble ours. Would they not? Consistency throughout classes and year to year would be a sign he has improved.
Holy shite, he's only on his second full recruiting cycle, and he must be doing a decent job based on your whining.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:06 pm to Libertyabides71
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If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. your classes would resemble ours. Would they not? Consistency throughout classes and year to year would be a sign he has improved.
Saban is a great recruiter. Freeze lands a few guys. A great recruiter has the top class in conference consistently not one or two top guys and the same class Ole Miss has had for the past decade.
pure gold
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:08 pm to Libertyabides71
You didn't respond to my questions, Libertyabides71. I would appreciate it if you would do that. Out of courtesy, I'll respond to yours. But please show me the same respect that I'm showing you.
Not necessarily. And certainly not instantly.
I respectfully disagree. Consistently signing the number 15 class year after year wouldn't be a sign of improvement at all.
I thought that your point was that Coach Freeze signed an unusually good recruiting class last year.
Now that I've addressed your points, please go back and respond to my questions. Otherwise, it just looks like your dodging them.
I'm curious what you think a school would have to do to improve its recruiting without creating the presumption that it's buying players or cheating in some other way?
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If Freeze was a great recruiter that connected with kids in a general sense. your classes would resemble ours. Would they not?
Not necessarily. And certainly not instantly.
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Consistency throughout classes and year to year would be a sign he has improved.
I respectfully disagree. Consistently signing the number 15 class year after year wouldn't be a sign of improvement at all.
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A great recruiter has the top class in conference consistently not one or two top guys and the same class Ole Miss has had for the past decade.
I thought that your point was that Coach Freeze signed an unusually good recruiting class last year.
Now that I've addressed your points, please go back and respond to my questions. Otherwise, it just looks like your dodging them.
I'm curious what you think a school would have to do to improve its recruiting without creating the presumption that it's buying players or cheating in some other way?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:14 pm to dtmb
Land a class that is balanced, about twice as many four stars as five, very little two stars, a higher that 3.5 average star rating.
Not getting guys out of the blue. Not relying on gimmicks like having a guys 2 star brother. Having a coach other than Freeze.
Not getting guys out of the blue. Not relying on gimmicks like having a guys 2 star brother. Having a coach other than Freeze.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:18 pm to Libertyabides71
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Not relying on gimmicks like having a guys 2 star brother.
You mean like Tunsil?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:56 pm to NIH
Thank you for this thread NIH
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:05 pm to OBReb6
I'm here to help.
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