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re: Why do people rag on Ole Miss for being dirty, and ignore UK?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:20 pm to SoGaFan
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:20 pm to SoGaFan
So a UGA site is evidence of us cheating? Bama and UGA's sites never mentioned us but he always did like I already said. You're just angry because he didn't choose your team so you're thinking irrationally because you can't rationalize that that kid wanted to go anywhere but Georgia. Before you bring up his UGA apparel picture CJ Hampton was wearing FSU apparel at the AAA last week and guess where he's enrolled today? What these kids wear doesn't mean shite
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 5:21 pm
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:32 pm to DMagic
Seriously. Ole Miss fans tried to tell UGA and Bama fans for like 3 months "Hey we're in it too" and you kept ignoring it. Then he commits to us and you act like we had JUST gotten in the game. Not our faults you ignored us the previous few months.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:37 pm to DMagic
I am the one being irrational in this argument? HA. Anyone who has followed SEC recruiting for more than a month would smell this one out.
I have no problem believing that there are plenty of recruits who would rather go to another school for one reason or another. However, in this case, too many people who know a hell of lot more than me about recruitment in general and his in particular were FLOORED by his about-face and the particulars involved for it to be a simple case of being out-recruited.
If you don't want to see that, fine.
I have no problem believing that there are plenty of recruits who would rather go to another school for one reason or another. However, in this case, too many people who know a hell of lot more than me about recruitment in general and his in particular were FLOORED by his about-face and the particulars involved for it to be a simple case of being out-recruited.
If you don't want to see that, fine.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:40 pm to SoGaFan
you don't how ridiculous your statement is but continue thinking I don't know what I'm talking about. It's not my fault you're gullible and believe what the pay sites tell you.
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:44 pm to DCRebel
Is he still with his woman?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Nah bro Denzel found him some new pussy and bought him a forerunner
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:51 pm to DMagic
So defensive. I'm just curious. Nothing more/nothing less.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:52 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
That was a reference to a juvenile song not being serious relax
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:04 pm to DMagic
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:16 pm to DMagic
I'm Old, sorry.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:48 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Call her big booty cuz she has a big booty
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:53 pm to SoGaFan
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Ole MIss might have been recruiting him, but he wasn't listening until OM sweetened the deal.
How did Ole Miss sweeten the deal? Where do you have evidence of this?
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Honestly, I would be pissed but fine had the guy not actually told the UGA coaches not once, but twice, he was committing to UGA. Then immediately after an official visit to Oxford everything completely changes? I am sorry, but if you think that doesn't stink, you have no sense of smell and haven't been following recruiting for long.
tUnSiLiTiS bro
You're mad as frick.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:44 pm to SoGaFan
Wow, take a step back and look at your posts. They are pathetic. Realize that and just stop. Nobody cares what you have to say...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:08 am to hehatedrew
Its just funny after years of kids only choosing UK/Ole Miss if they had a personal connection to the school/state (Tim Couch/Eli Manning) or that was their best SEC offer that both schools without any hint of on field improvement is competing with the big boys. Stoops is doing well recruiting Ohio (in fact that is a genius move for a Kentucky coach). And the only big time guy they are in it for is Matt Elam an instate kid. That makes sense at least. And no matter how bad your first year is, a coach tends to get a mulligan. In fact a bad first can making recruiting better in the first full class a coach goes after.
But Freeze is entering year three without the so called turnaround in sight. So it makes sense to say Ole Miss is cheating. Especially if you've read Meat Market and The Blind Side. Hugh Freeze landed an assistant coaching job at Ole Miss because he was Mike Oher's coach (and the only main character they replaced with a fictional person in the movie). And he was "Recruiting coordinator" for Ed Ogeron, someone who has had their fair share of run ins with the NCAA when it comes to recruiting.
Freeze is similar to Gus Malzahn. Gus paid his dues as a high school coach, won multiple state titles, was a real innovator in the game. He still got his big break in college because Nutt wanted to keep Mustain and his teammates from Springdale. Most guys get the big move from high school to college because of their players, fact of life. Especially since the move was tiny christian school to Ole Miss. I mean Bill Clark didn't jump from Prattville to Alabama. He was a much more successful high school coach than Freeze but where is he at? Jacksonville State.
Freeze on the other hand was a guy running the same generic spread off the DVDs that every coach is. Memphis the cesspool of SEC recruiting. The book makes it clear about the truth the movie washed over. Oher was a football star at a ghetto school and getting attention from colleges before he came to Freeze's school. It was just thought he would never qualify even for a JUCO. He then was enrolled as a school with a competitive academic record. As we all know sometime later he happened to be adopted by a family of Ole Miss boosters. Who used Oher to get famous.
But everything is perfectly legit.
But Freeze is entering year three without the so called turnaround in sight. So it makes sense to say Ole Miss is cheating. Especially if you've read Meat Market and The Blind Side. Hugh Freeze landed an assistant coaching job at Ole Miss because he was Mike Oher's coach (and the only main character they replaced with a fictional person in the movie). And he was "Recruiting coordinator" for Ed Ogeron, someone who has had their fair share of run ins with the NCAA when it comes to recruiting.
Freeze is similar to Gus Malzahn. Gus paid his dues as a high school coach, won multiple state titles, was a real innovator in the game. He still got his big break in college because Nutt wanted to keep Mustain and his teammates from Springdale. Most guys get the big move from high school to college because of their players, fact of life. Especially since the move was tiny christian school to Ole Miss. I mean Bill Clark didn't jump from Prattville to Alabama. He was a much more successful high school coach than Freeze but where is he at? Jacksonville State.
Freeze on the other hand was a guy running the same generic spread off the DVDs that every coach is. Memphis the cesspool of SEC recruiting. The book makes it clear about the truth the movie washed over. Oher was a football star at a ghetto school and getting attention from colleges before he came to Freeze's school. It was just thought he would never qualify even for a JUCO. He then was enrolled as a school with a competitive academic record. As we all know sometime later he happened to be adopted by a family of Ole Miss boosters. Who used Oher to get famous.
But everything is perfectly legit.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 2:29 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:13 am to Libertyabides71
Cj Hampton is now enrolled into ole miss
Tl:dr
And you are quite angry
Tl:dr
And you are quite angry
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:26 am to Libertyabides71
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Libertyabides71
The whole problem with your post is that it rests on this assumption:
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Its just funny after years of kids only choosing UK/Ole Miss if they had a personal connection to the school/state (Tim Couch/Eli Manning) or that was their best SEC offer
...which simply isn't the case. Sorry.
ETA: Also, I'm of the belief that either nobody's cheating or everybody's cheating, but either way I don't give a flying frick. "Oh wah wah Owe Miss is cheatin!!1" Well if it's as easy for us to do and get away with as you all purport it to be, then we're going to keep doing it. Get with the fricking picture.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 5:29 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:35 am to DCRebel
In the Rivals era, Ole Miss averages around 10th in the SEC recruiting rankings. But other than Orgeron's fluke class of 2006, you guys finished no higher than 6th until the class last year. And even the 2014 class is 9th in conference.
Since Saban has been at Alabama we've been first in the SEC every year but one (2010) and we were 3rd.
Since Saban has been at Alabama we've been first in the SEC every year but one (2010) and we were 3rd.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 5:38 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:10 am to Libertyabides71
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In the Rivals era, Ole Miss averages around 10th in the SEC recruiting rankings.
Neat!
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But other than Orgeron's fluke class of 2006
Why is it a "fluke"? Because you want it to be? Because calling it a "fluke" enhances your argument?
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And even the 2014 class is 9th in conference.
This doesn't particularly help your argument, you know.
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Since Saban has been at Alabama we've been first in the SEC every year but one (2010) and we were 3rd.
Congratulations!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 6:49 am to DCRebel
He is saying you've always recruited well, which isn't true.
You've signed guys but classes are 25 guys. Or 40 if you are Houston Nutt (come on I am joking with that)
In all the classes you haven't recruited well.
Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Our classes sucked between Probation/the hiring of Saban, anyone can see that. But the pre probation classes of Dubose (which you can only see on the internet archive) are pretty much identical to the way you guys are currently recruiting. One or two big names that were "supposed to sign elsewhere" and a bunch of nobody's. We even had a designated bag man in Dabo Swinney (at the time the young cool coach/recruiting coordinator).
Cheating is relative in recruiting, I don't know how much actually goes on but I think there is a "normal" amount that goes on at every school and is tolerated by the NCAA. Schools get in trouble for the extraordinary cases.
Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
Shots in the dark are a bigger red flag for cheating that recruiting in a consistent sustainable manner year in and year out. We have had the top class every year but one because we hired a guy known as the best recruiter in the game years before he ever said "I am not going to be the Alabama coach".
You've signed guys but classes are 25 guys. Or 40 if you are Houston Nutt (come on I am joking with that)
In all the classes you haven't recruited well.
Even with the 2013 where you landed a few big names your class was not very deep. Common sense (and the patterns of other recruiting scandals of the past including Alabama from personal experience) dictates when you land a class of 3 stars and then 1 or 2 super elite guys that is a definite red flag. It is much easier to slip under the radar "cheating" with 1 or 2 guys than it is with 25. Simple probability.
If as you say Freeze is a top recruiter, Ole Miss is a top destination would you guys not be landing classes that look like ours since 2008?
Our classes sucked between Probation/the hiring of Saban, anyone can see that. But the pre probation classes of Dubose (which you can only see on the internet archive) are pretty much identical to the way you guys are currently recruiting. One or two big names that were "supposed to sign elsewhere" and a bunch of nobody's. We even had a designated bag man in Dabo Swinney (at the time the young cool coach/recruiting coordinator).
Cheating is relative in recruiting, I don't know how much actually goes on but I think there is a "normal" amount that goes on at every school and is tolerated by the NCAA. Schools get in trouble for the extraordinary cases.
Saying Ole Miss is cheating in no way implies anyone else is clean. It is saying in relative terms y'all are doing something special to pick off one or two guys a cycle. That is what gets teams in trouble. Speaking from experience.
If everything was perfectly legit you would be signing classes that are filled with the same caliber of athlete not top heavy.
Shots in the dark are a bigger red flag for cheating that recruiting in a consistent sustainable manner year in and year out. We have had the top class every year but one because we hired a guy known as the best recruiter in the game years before he ever said "I am not going to be the Alabama coach".
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 6:52 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:19 am to Libertyabides71
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Especially since the move was tiny christian school to Ole Miss
Are you trying to say Briarcrest is a tiny Christian school?
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