re: Rank the SEC solely by recruiting ablility of its staffs

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Is Les not part of the staff? Does he not LEAD the staff? If he is fired in late November/early December for going 8-4 or 7-5 (or, if he "retires"), do you think your class will not be impacted?

In my personal ranking, which reflects only my opinion, I still put LSU 3rd in the SEC despite the uncertainty surrounding Les and staff. What more do you want? You want me to rank them ahead of Bama? Can't do it. No way to justify it. I can't rank them ahead of UGA b/c the ranking, which, again, is my OPINION, is that UGA will have a better class average over the next 4 years.

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No offense but are you really this retarded? What happens on the field, who could be fired and speculation is 100% irrelevant in this thread. Let me quote the OP title for you once again:

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Rank the SEC solely by recruiting ablility of its staffs

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Therefore:

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If he is fired in late November/early December for going 8-4 or 7-5

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I still put LSU 3rd in the SEC despite the uncertainty surrounding Les and staff

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Is 100% entirely irrelevant.

This is thread about the RECRUITING ABILITY of the current coaching staffs in the SEC. If you want to believe a first time head coach (look, i get it, he's Saban's boy you have to stick up for), is 100% definitely ahead of a long time proven staff, then so be it, but that's pure speculation and nothing more.

No we can go class for class LSU over Georgia hands down.Georgia produces talent but the kids in Louisiana are better!!

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11.) USC - Muschamp will improve them, but by how much?

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We have 2015's National Recruiter of the year, and 2 other Coaches who were National Recruiters of the year.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Bryan McClendon
Lance Thompson
Travaris Robinson

These are 3 guys who are nationally elite recruiters and who have been recognized as such.

Bently will help us own this state as well. He is a legend in SC. We are either #1 or in the Top2 for 6 of the 7 top prospects in SC for '17.

Bama just improved a TON (as recruiters) with the trades of Kirby, Rucker, and Bobbeh Williams for Pruitt, Ansley, and Key.

All three guys brought in are SERIOUS recruiters. Kirby was good, but Pruitt is as good as anybody in the country at it. Tucker and Williams were the two worst recruiters on staff, and Ansley and Key (for what little could be known about a UCF coach) are considered very good recruiters. Big upgrade there strictly from a recruiting aspect.

While some of you may think "How could they really get any better in recruiting?", Saban wasn't particularly pleased with the way we finished on Signing Day.

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No offense but are you really this retarded?

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None taken. I understand you are missing many of the points I'm making and you seem to lack the intellectual wherewithal to get what I'm saying. Or, perhaps, I'm doing a poor job of communicating. Either way, I'll not be offended by someone I've never met who knows nothing about me asking such a ridiculous question. It's more a reflection of them than me.

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What happens on the field, who could be fired and speculation is 100% irrelevant in this thread. Let me quote the OP title for you once again:


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Rank the SEC solely by recruiting ablility of its staffs

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I maintain that not being employed impacts ones ability to recruit. Therefore, the speculation (and that's all it is) that on field results and possibly being fired will impact someone's recruiting ability is certainly relevant. Do YOU honestly think it won't be used against LSU on the trail? If, for example, LSU is 5-3 at some point and it looks like Les is going to be fired, do you think that negatively impacts his ability to land a prospect like, say, Dylan Moses (as a pure example)?

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If you want to believe a first time head coach (look, i get it, he's Saban's boy you have to stick up for), is 100% definitely ahead of a long time proven staff, then so be it, but that's pure speculation and nothing more.

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While Kirby is a first time head coach, you act as if the rest of his staff (and him) have not recruited before. UGA is in the east. The east is easier than the west so I anticipate UGA having a good season. UGA is, as you likely know, in the state of Georgia. Georgia has averaged 158 players annually signing D1 scholarships the last 5 years. Louisiana has averaged 83 players signing D1 scholarships. Therefore, Kirby has a more fertile ground from which to recruit (I get the whole "per capita" thing about LA and the NFL, but I'm talking about pure volume of players with talent, and Georgia crushes Louisiana annually in this regard).

In summation, my contention is that LSU is just slightly behind UGA in terms of recruiting ability of its staff. Slightly. So close, in fact, that I listed it as 2A and 2B. The reasons for that include all of the factors I've outlined above and in previous posts. It is my opinion. It differs from yours. That likely won't change. That's ok.

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I maintain that not being employed impacts ones ability to recruit.

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He's currently employed, and employment speculation status means absolutely nothing to this thread. The question is simple, rank the current staffs in the SEC on ability to recruit. That's it, not, oh where do I think this coach will be in a year or three. Not, oh i think they will go 7-5 on the field. It's simple gump, rank the recruiting ability of the current staffs.

This isn't rocket science. It's a simple ranking of current staffs in the SEC on the ability to recruit. Not your opinion of how a season will go, or if someone will be employed or not.

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rank the current staffs in the SEC on ability to recruit

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Thought I did that here, but if you are waiting for me to claim LSU has the 2nd best recruiting staff in the SEC you'll be waiting a long time.

I think UGA will have a better class average than LSU over the next 4 years REGARDLESS of any change in staff at LSU. There. We've eliminated that aspect from the equation. Here's my rationale that you'll never agree with:

LSU finished #3 in rankings with a total score of 289.97 and an average ranking of 91.60. You did this while having basically the same staff in place for the entire recruiting cycle.

Meanwhile, UGA had a brand new staff and, with about 6 weeks to recruit, finished #7 with a total score of 275.61 and an average ranking of 91.48. They also signed 4 fewer recruits than you, so if they'd signed the same number of recruits with their average ranking of 91.48 they'd have finished in a virtual tie with LSU...while only being a staff for 6 weeks.

1. We don't need anymore rivalries. We're good in this area.
2. Thanks for reading but if u are going to call it shite, at least make your own. I would like to see how you would rank them.
3. The problem I had with Muschamp and co is not enough history. Tough to put them above some others who are more established. I don't have any doubt he will elevate your rankings as I said.

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You did this while having basically the same staff in place for the entire recruiting cycle.

Meanwhile, UGA had a brand new staff and, with about 6 weeks to recruit, finished #7 with a total score of 275.61 and an average ranking of 91.48. They also signed 4 fewer recruits than you, so if they'd signed the same number of recruits with their average ranking of 91.48 they'd have finished in a virtual tie with LSU...while only being a staff for 6 weeks.

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So you are saying losing Frank Wilson when we did at the point in the recruiting game is not important?

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kirby and his staff havent proven a thing yet

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This tells me you know nothing about our recruiting.