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re: Major changes coming in recruiting..

Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by jumbo
Franklin
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:53 pm to
Anybody that has a preexisting relationship with the prospect.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:22 pm to
Where is the source referencing no back counting scholarships? The most inclusive thing I've seen is this article and it doesn't even touch scholarship attribution/initial counters: LINK /
Posted by Twun14
Las Vegas, Nevada
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:02 pm to
Perfectly acceptable to give the girlfriend a full ride to the nonexistent curling team. That will be the loophole. Title IX FTW
Posted by AUbagman
LA
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:45 pm to
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-If you have recruited player A, a college cannot hire player A's coach until a 2 year window has closed




It's amazing this is just now becoming a rule. It seems like a no brainier, duh type oversight. The NCAA is a joke of a governing body.
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 4:45 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 8:09 pm to
Did not see anything about back counting ether in that link but can see the concern because it was created because the 25 signing cap could affect a team trying to reach their 85 max roster

If a team lets say has 20 graduate, 5 leave early for the draft and let's say 3 transfer out. The team would have would have 28 spots to fill but without back counting the team can only add 25 and will be at 83 the upcoming season and with the new cap of 25 in the SEC to sign for the incoming class would never be able to reach 85 unless fill the spots with walking which does sometimes happen
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 8:11 pm
Posted by old man tiger
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 4:50 am to
Maybe but they would be limited on where they can go. If lsu sighned a guy and he flipped lsu could say yes you can go but not to another sec school
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:04 am to
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f you have recruited player A, a college cannot hire player A's coach until a 2 year window has closed.


Lawsuit waiting to happen.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1370 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:24 am to
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Did not see anything about back counting ether in that link but can see the concern because it was created because the 25 signing cap could affect a team trying to reach their 85 max roster

If a team lets say has 20 graduate, 5 leave early for the draft and let's say 3 transfer out. The team would have would have 28 spots to fill but without back counting the team can only add 25 and will be at 83 the upcoming season and with the new cap of 25 in the SEC to sign for the incoming class would never be able to reach 85 unless fill the spots with walking which does sometimes happen


OR maybe schools will have to treat the current student athletes they have on roster better so they don't feel the need to transfer out...

All scholarships should be for 4 years, not on a year by year basis.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:28 am to
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OR maybe schools will have to treat the current student athletes they have on roster better so they don't feel the need to transfer out...


Do you think most transfers are a result of getting mistreated? I think they're a result of wanting more playing time. I guess some kids think they are being mistreated when someone passes them on the depth chart.
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:36 am to
I certainly think coaches handle players differently and if they don't perceive one to be a contributor they are not treated the same as a starter or a player at a position need
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:41 am to
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I certainly think coaches handle players differently and if they don't perceive one to be a contributor they are not treated the same as a starter or a player at a position need



I could see that happening. The other side of the coin is that every recruit who goes D-1 likely thinks they are NFL bound. Many of them don't have the maturity to see that their play and their conduct off the field play a role in whether they see the field. Many kids who don't play right away take on a victim mindset rather than taking personal responsibility.
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:52 pm to
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coaches handle players differently and if they don't perceive one to be a contributor


Some coaches may be better at getting the non contributor to transfer to Appalachian State or wherever where he will get playing time and free up the spot.
Posted by JRBayoutiger
Down da bayou
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 6:17 am to
I didn't see anything about the bagman
Posted by swlaLSUfan
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
3579 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 6:42 am to
Give walkon's the unused scholarships.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 11:41 am to
What about an early signing day? That fo sho needs to happen.

Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11836 posts
Posted on 1/14/17 at 3:38 pm to
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current student athletes


Except they are not recruited to be a student, they are recruited to perform at a high level in their given sport. And before someone wants to argue the student part of the equation then all athletes recruited should be required to meet the same academic standards that anyone applying to the college is required to meet and not use the joke of a sliding scale now used for athletes.

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All scholarships should be for 4 years, not on a year by year basis


And for those that want to argue they are also students I know of no academic scholarship, even if awarded for 4 years, that does not have a requirement to perform academically at a high level.
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 7:07 am to
Philon is in the NFL. You might want to look up a better "victim".
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:27 pm to
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-No more back counting schollies


Not sure I understand this correctly. Does this mean a hard limit of 25 in each cycle. If so, I like it.

quote:

10th on field coach is coming


Like.

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If recruiting a player from High School A, their HC cannot work any summer camps at your institution. Gone are the days of a coach packing up 5-10 players and taking them out of state for a summer camp, more than likely.


Not a fan. A lot of under the radar kids are discovered this way and some kids simply do not have the means to get to camps on their own.

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-Early signing day on 3rd Wednesday of December


It's a start. Although, I wish kids were able to sign at any point after their SR year begins.

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-If you have recruited player A, a college cannot hire player A's coach until a 2 year window has closed.


Common sense. Should have been done a long time ago.

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-July could become a dead period, eliminating many big time camps around the country


I like this. Recruiting is too invasive to coaches lives. Kids for that matter. Give them all a month off to take a vacation with their family, etc

Overall, I like the changes
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:39 pm to
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Did not see anything about back counting ether in that link but can see the concern because it was created because the 25 signing cap could affect a team trying to reach their 85 max roster If a team lets say has 20 graduate, 5 leave early for the draft and let's say 3 transfer out. The team would have would have 28 spots to fill but without back counting the team can only add 25 and will be at 83 the upcoming season and with the new cap of 25 in the SEC to sign for the incoming class would never be able to reach 85 unless fill the spots with walking which does sometimes happen This post was edited on 1/12 at 8:11 pm


You can sign 100 players in a 4 year cycle. That accounts for 15 transfers, dismissals, early draft entries in a 4 year period.

If this is true, it's finally an effort to spread around the talent a bit more. College football will always be the most uneven playing field of any major sport, but any effort to curb that a bit is good for the game.

If you can't fill an 85 man roster with 100 kids every 4 years then something is wrong
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 4/16/17 at 7:21 pm to
Bump. Some of this stuff is happening currently. More to come.

ETA: why was this thread anchored?
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 7:23 pm
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