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re: Florida closes with seven 4 stars and finishes with a top 10 class
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:39 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:39 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Georgia's average rank over the past 5 years has been higher than Florida's.
what you don't realize is that "average" is a stupid way to compare teams in this scenario. School A could have a 8th ranked class 4/5 years and school B have a 12th ranked class 4/5 years. But one outlier year A has a 15th ranked class and B has a top 2 class. The "average" is going to side with school B although in reality they surely haven't been recruiting better over that time period.
16 class: UGA- 8, UF- 12
15 class: UGA- 5, UF- 21
14 class: UGa- 8, UF- 9
13 class: UGA- 12, UF- 3
12 class: UGa- 8, UF- 4
UGA has been more consistent to be sure and don't have any dreadful classes like UF did in '15, but we also didn't have any elite classes, of which UF had 2 in a row.
Fact is that over the last 5 years UGA and UF have essentially canceled each other out in regards to class rankings as both average about an 8th/9th ranked class.
The mantra that UF is whipping everyone with zero talent while UGA has these mega elite classes we can't do anythign with simply isn't true.
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:41 am to slayerxing
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Here is what I do know. McElwain is 2-0 against UGA and those games haven't even been close.
1 was against a guy who isn't here anymore and was fired that same season, and the other is against a guy in his first year ever as a head coach. Whoopty doo.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:41 am to atlgator
How does 7 four stars put you in the top 10? Top 10 in the sec?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:44 am to WG_Dawg
This is silly, the fact is, UF's 2014 class was garbage outside of a few defensive backs.
In 2016, the team was relying on a few Muschamp holdouts on defense, and a bunch of new guys from the 2015 and 2016 classes on offense.
UF had less talent, on paper, than UGA did last year.
Also, despite those strong recruiting rankings, UGA beat UF in 2011, 2012, and 2013. UF has won in 2014, 2015, and 2016 with worse recruiting "on paper".
The fact is, UF has the better coaching, and now that they have resolved the roster issues left by Muschamp, things are looking good.
In 2016, the team was relying on a few Muschamp holdouts on defense, and a bunch of new guys from the 2015 and 2016 classes on offense.
UF had less talent, on paper, than UGA did last year.
Also, despite those strong recruiting rankings, UGA beat UF in 2011, 2012, and 2013. UF has won in 2014, 2015, and 2016 with worse recruiting "on paper".
The fact is, UF has the better coaching, and now that they have resolved the roster issues left by Muschamp, things are looking good.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:49 am to slayerxing
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In 2016, the team was relying on a few Muschamp holdouts on defense, and a bunch of new guys from the 2015 and 2016 classes on offense.
UF had less talent, on paper, than UGA did last year.
Why can you play that card but we can't? Last year we had a true freshman at QB, one of the worst OLs we had since 2003, no WR to stretch the field, and a first year coaching staff. We can always point to reasons why a team doesn't win every game.
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The fact is, UF has the better coaching,
Yes, I'd say the last 2 years they have. Which again, saw mac facing richt with a foot out the door (starting bauta the entire game...cmon) and a guy in his first year ever. Mac has been the better coach the last 2 years, but that doesn't mean he's going to be the best coach in the series from here on out. Not by a long shot.
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now that they have resolved the roster issues left by Muschamp, things are looking good.
Have things been resolved? Y'all haven't had a great QB under either of the last 2 coaches, and we have no idea what your defenses will be like without all of muschamp's stud recruits he left behind.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:52 am to WG_Dawg
I mean, I guess if I look at things with Bulldog colored glasses on, UF is going to straight up suck. But it's just as likely that UF will remain strong on defense, where they still have good players, and will actually improve on offense.
If UF finds a good QB it's fricking over. They will destroy Georgia.
If UF finds a good QB it's fricking over. They will destroy Georgia.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:56 am to WG_Dawg
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Why can you play that card but we can't? Last year we had a true freshman at QB, one of the worst OLs we had since 2003, no WR to stretch the field, and a first year coaching staff. We can always point to reasons why a team doesn't win every game.
You're preaching to the choir.
We had a QB who had never played QB at another college, never even started.
We had 4 underclassmen on our offensive line, our RG was playing center because we had 6 offensive linemen total the year prior.
Our best receivers were freshmen, our only position that was strong was RB and K this year, neither of which we had last year.
You can't come to the Gators and bitch about the players.
And Georgia fans saying that the first three years are less relevant than the last two is kind of worth giggles. We had two terrible classes in reference to our team.
Just get out of here, you're humiliating yourselves.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:58 am to slayerxing
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I guess if I look at things with Bulldog colored glasses on, UF is going to straight up suck.
who said that? I certainly didn't. However, you've lost 4 games both years under mcelwain and aren't recruiting at a very high clip. Also many of your big time defensive playmakers inherited from muschamp are gone. I don't think UF will suck by any means, but I don't see yall winnign the SEC anytime soon either.
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If UF finds a good QB it's fricking over. They will destroy Georgia.
You act like we're going to trot out the 2016 team every year from here on out. We can't improve? Our coach can't get better? Our TFr QB can't make strides? Our worst OL in 2 decades can't get any better?
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:05 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What would worry me is when you have like four top five classes in a row and lose to a defense with 5 of their best starters out at home after calling the other team pussies for a few months.
I'm guessing having that same school finish ahead of you in the recruiting rankings even after a disaster of a season, a clusterfrick of a coaching search and having Bama take several of the in-state blue chippers bothers you too then.
I'd keep trolling to cover up the facts if I were you too.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:16 am to RB10
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I'm guessing having that same school finish ahead of you in the recruiting rankings even after a disaster of a season, a clusterfrick of a coaching search and having Bama take several of the in-state blue chippers bothers you too then.
I'd keep trolling to cover up the facts if I were you too.
Winning, to me, is more important. Different strokes for different strokes, amigo.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:25 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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ALABAMA. Average rank over past five years: 1st. ...
LSU. Average rank: 7th. ...
GEORGIA. Average rank: 8th. ...
AUBURN. Average rank: 9th. ...
FLORIDA. Average rank: 10th. ...
Butthurt Georgia fans can go ahead and bounce now.
Georgia's average rank over the past 5 years has been higher than Florida's. He inherited a way better team than McElwain and still lost terribly.
Since 2001, UGA has only had the highest ranked class in the SECE 4 times.
Talking about inheriting a team with worse talent? Butter Teeth got the better end of the deal. His talent level is dropping because he's struggling to recruit. Champ left him talent unless you don't think the 9th, 3rd, 4th, 11th, and 1st class are very good. By the way, 3 of those 5 were ranked higher than UGAs.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:34 am to Porter Osborne Jr
UGA....all that talent and 5 wins against your rival this century. 6 wins since 1990. Outch!
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 11:36 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:46 am to WG_Dawg
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what you don't realize is that "average" is a stupid way to compare teams in this scenario. School A could have a 8th ranked class 4/5 years and school B have a 12th ranked class 4/5 years. But one outlier year A has a 15th ranked class and B has a top 2 class. The "average" is going to side with school B although in reality they surely haven't been recruiting better over that time period.
16 class: UGA- 8, UF- 12
15 class: UGA- 5, UF- 21
14 class: UGa- 8, UF- 9
13 class: UGA- 12, UF- 3
12 class: UGa- 8, UF- 4
The outlier here is Florida's 2015 Class. That was the year Muschamp got fired and Mac was hired in December with the 121st ranked class in the country, and in two months he salvaged the class and pushed us up to 21st in the rankings. Outside of that, Florida and Georgia have been very comparable. And despite that class ranking, Florida has had several solid contributors from that class.
Georgia had a heck of a class this year. But Kirby has to prove, in my eyes, that he knows how to manage a team and be a CEO and leader on the sidelines on gamedays. He comes across as a rah rah cheerleader type to me. He generates fan excitement (see the 93k day thing) and obviously can recruit, but I don't think it's debatable that he needs to be better on gamedays. There were games last year where I thought that Georgia didn't have a "winning" gameplan. See the Florida game, the Tech game, the Nichols game, the Vandy game, hell, even the Kentucky and Missouri games. There wasn't any games last year, outside of the Tennessee game maybe, that I thought "damn, Georgia is getting better and they're going to scare me going forward". Winning games 13-7 or whatever it was over auburn isn't how you win consistently in the SEC. I think that's why a lot of Gator fans think that Kirby is playing "Muschamp ball" right now.
Edit: I hope you don't think I meant this as a troll, I hope you respond will a reasonable discussion
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:51 am to EvilJimbo
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UGA....all that talent and 5 wins against your rival this century. 6 wins since 1990. Outch!
Kirby out recruited FSU too. You even got our scraps in Warner...
Just face you are all scared of Kirby and praying he can't coach.
Going forward Bama will be the only team with more talent in the South so suck it.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:06 pm to Leon S Kennedy
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Kirby out recruited FSU too. You even got our scraps in Warner...
Just face you are all scared of Kirby and praying he can't coach.
Going forward Bama will be the only team with more talent in the South so suck it.
Spurrier on UGA - “Why is it that during recruiting season they sign all the great players, but when it comes time to play the game, we have all the great players? I don’t understand that. What happens to them?”
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:09 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Spurrier on UGA - “Why is it that during recruiting season they sign all the great players, but when it comes time to play the game, we have all the great players? I don’t understand that. What happens to them?”
Yeah, Ray Goff sucked dick 20 years ago. We know.
The main problem UGA has had against UF the past two years is that our OL, WRs, and QBs have been completely and totally overmatched against UF's defensive personnel due to a combination of talent and inexperience. UGA has had no prayer of moving the ball with any sort of consistency, and UGA's defense eventually caved.
I don't see that as being likely to continue.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:15 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The main problem UGA has had against UF the past two years is that our OL, WRs, and QBs
Yet, our worse OL, worse WRs and much worse QB's made your defense, which is regularly recruited very well, look bad.
We have a worse offense, better defense.
You have a much better offense, worse defense but not by much.
But our coaching is still, even after Muschamp, lightyears ahead of Georgia's.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:22 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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worse OL
Very strongly disagree.
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worse WRs
strongly disagree, if only because of Callaway.
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much worse QB's
disagree. Maybe worse than Eason as a true freshman. Bauta was by far the worst fielded by either team. Yes, including Treon Harris.
That wasn't even really my argument. I was talking about specific matchups against UF. UGA's OL was totally and completely helpless in both games against UF's DL. Tabor and Wilson could lock down our WRs without breaking a sweat.
Those guys are gone. We'll see if UF can replace them.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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your defense, which is regularly recruited very well, look bad.
Also, while most of our defensive players were highly recruited, they have almost all been freshmen and sophomores for 2 years now, which is why we return all but 1 player in the defensive two-deep.
Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:39 pm to Leon S Kennedy
I can't tell if this is satire or not. Either way print the shirts. UGA - Spring Game National Champions 2017!
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