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re: Florida closes with seven 4 stars and finishes with a top 10 class

Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:40 pm to
They're saying we're scared of Kirby, yet Georgia fans are all over a post titled ''Florida closes with seven 4 stars and finishes with a top 10 class.''

Projjeeecccttttiiiooonnn.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 12:53 pm to
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5 wins against your rival this century.


we're 3-3 the last 6 years

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. 6 wins since 1990.


can you tell me what steve spurrier coaching against ray goff and jim donnan has to do with anything? Hell if we're using smack talk from 27 years ago why stop there?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:03 pm to
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UF had less talent, on paper, than UGA did last year.


I bet the NFL is gonna tell us a different story in the 2017 draft.
Posted by Edearl Watson
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:03 pm to
That UGA team that UF beat in Jacksonville was a lifeless pile of shite. They played with no heart, and basically shut it down in the 3rd quarter. Kirby lost to Vandy, Ga. Tech with their 1950s offense and 2 star talent. Nicholls State took UGA to the final mins of the 4th quarter. UF had a Kirby clone 3 years ago and we fired him. How many 5 to 6 loss seasons will UGA have to go through?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:06 pm to
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Kirby lost to Vandy, Ga. Tech with their 1950s offense and 2 star talent. Nicholls State took UGA to the final mins of the 4th quarter.


yet you keep pumping up the big win over that same team. You realize you're kinda making the argument that beating us last year was no big deal, you see that right?

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UF had a Kirby clone 3 years ago


this is literally impossible to know. You have no idea what kirby will do as a head coach. Richt was a 15 year coordinator before taking his first head coachign job at UGA. I'd say he fared exponentially better than muschamp wouldn't ya say?

Also muschamp has never in his life recruited as well as kirby just did...in his first full recruiting cycle as coach.

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How many 5 to 6 loss seasons will UGA have to go through?


bout 2 more and he'll be on the way out. Thankfully that won't happen though.
Posted by Edearl Watson
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:10 pm to
You're right beating UGA is no big deal. After all UF has won 20 of the last 26 games between the two teams.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:17 pm to
Florida's 2012 and 2013 classes were both just as highly ranked as Georgia's class this year and they were in Muschamps first and second full recruiting classes. 2012 was 4th nationally and 2013 was 3rd nationally. So to say muschamp never recruited on the level that Kirby did is absurd.

Also, Florida won nothing with those classes. And they were loaded with defensive players under a defensive minded head coach, who had never been a head coach before, and was stuck in the 1980s in his offensive philosophy.

And you can't figure out why people compare him to Muschamp? You're enamored with the recruiting rankings and I understand it. It's better to have a highly rated class than to not. But if your coach doesn't give two shits about offense or how to be the CEO of a program and how to call plays, those classes don't matter. Will your tone change if you lose by multiple scores in Jacksonville for a 4th consecutive year?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:24 pm to
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Florida's 2012 and 2013 classes were both just as highly ranked as Georgia's class this year


12 class= 287 points (91.5 avg). 2 5*, 13 4*
13 class= 291 points (90.7 avg). 2 5*, 13 4*

UGA 2017= 300 points (92.7 avg). 2 5*, 18 4*

You can't just compare the final "ranking" because you aren't comparing each class to the same opposition. None of muschamp's classes were as good as this one.

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So to say muschamp never recruited on the level that Kirby did is absurd.


I never said he's not an excellent recruiter, he is. One of the things he's known best for actually. But the numbers bear out that he never had a class like this one.

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Also, Florida won nothing with those classes


And that's fine, I hope you understand I'm not saying "we pulled an elite class, we're going to win a title within 3 years". I'm just pointing out that we have never brought in the top to bottom talent that we just did. We've always recruited pretty well but never this well. It starts with the jimmies and joes so we're putting ourselves in a better position than we have been in any time in recent memory. Obviously we still have to coach them up.

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And you can't figure out why people compare him to Muschamp?


Sure I can, because both were elite coordinators taking their first HC job. I just think it's a piss poor comparison.

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Will your tone change if you lose by multiple scores in Jacksonville for a 4th consecutive year?


Out of curiosity what "tone" am I taking? All I've been saying, pretty consistently, is that we are getting better talent than we've ever gotten. Along with the fact that Mcelwain isn't recruiting at a high of level as UF probably should be. I've made no predictions abotu the game this year, I don't have a clue what will happen. But I think we're putting ourselves in darn good shape compared to the last 2 years I know that.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:25 pm to
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After all UF has won 20 of the last 26 games


this has as much relevancy as us stating we own the all time series. Which is to say, not a whole lot.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:26 pm to
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But if your coach doesn't give two shits about offense

Go look at our class and tell me if you really think Smart doesn't give two shits about offense.
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Will your tone change if you lose by multiple scores in Jacksonville for a 4th consecutive year?

IDK about my tone. My patience will start to dwindle, though.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
32417 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:50 pm to
Georgia fans are hilarious trying to compare their class with Alabama's.

Alabama's class is in a league by itself. And they've had like what 6 straight #1 classes. Georgia has the #3 recruiting class this year and it's the greatest of all time.

News flash: The only difference between Georgia's class and Florida's class is a couple of 5-star players, who will probably be busts anyways. Your four-stars are not significantly better than our four-stars just because some arbitrary rating system has them a few spots higher. Once you get past the top 50 or so recruits, it's all a crap shoot anyway.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:53 pm to
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Georgia fans are hilarious trying to compare their class with Alabama's.



can you name even 1 person that has done that? Please, show us.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 1:58 pm to
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News flash: The only difference between Georgia's class and Florida's class is a couple of 5-star players, who will probably be busts anyways.

Haha OK. We're the homers.
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Once you get past the top 50 or so recruits, it's all a crap shoot anyway.

UGA: 2 5*, 18 4*, 6 top 50, 7 top 100
UF: 0 5*, 11 4*, 0 top 50, 1 top 100

Yeah, those two 5*s (which will be busts anyways, per xenythx) are totally the only difference.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 3:04 pm to
I'm not getting into this shite show, but Kirby is a hell of a recruiter. Holy shite.
Posted by Edearl Watson
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 5:30 pm to
UGA needs a few more fans. May I suggest that you join them. What I mean is you hate Coach Mac, and you admire Kirby's recruiting. It is seemingly a perfect fit for you.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:33 pm to
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I'll shove your face up your arse and tie your ears around your balls




TJ hates Mac and she hates the Gators. If finishing with a top 10 class and blowing out a quality Iowa team 30-3 in the bowl game won't convince her, nothing will. So frick her. Let her dwell in her misery. She got banned from the Gator board because she only trolled it and was outed for not being a Gator fan. Like all trolls, once she stops getting attention she will eventually fall off and never return once people stop paying attention to her
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted by Kimsey
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2013
1318 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 6:47 pm to
Kirby may not be the best technical coach. Let's just say he wasn't a fan of Richt's players.

It's a totally different philosophy at nearly all position groups.

With that said I wouldn't judge this coaching staff on year 1. Year 2 should be the more accurate metric.

I would also question how JE will do without those NFL studs Muschamp brought to the Florida defense.

This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:03 am to
The only way you're gonna touch my nuts is when they smack your chin.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 11:04 am
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:10 am to
I don't hate UF. I expect UF to compete for NCs and top 5 'recruiting classes. Getting Conliffe, Slaton, Hendo, and Edwards was nice but Not limp through football season or scramble to fill a class with projects or only get 2 of the top 20 in florida shouldn't happen here. Iowa is fricking garbage. They lost to a div 2 school. I'm a dude assume hole. I got banned because you bitches couldn't handle the facts I was laying down about ole country crock. It's no secret I think Mac backed into the SECCG game twice. That he can't recruit at an elite level or he he's an average in game coach and doesn't know how to fire Nuss and his staff is in disarray. He's learning on the job. That shouldn't happen here. The Seider hire is great but why wait so long? Not having an OL coach cost us Herbert.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 11:36 am to
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12 class= 287 points (91.5 avg). 2 5*, 13 4*
13 class= 291 points (90.7 avg). 2 5*, 13 4*

UGA 2017= 300 points (92.7 avg). 2 5*, 18 4*

You can't just compare the final "ranking" because you aren't comparing each class to the same opposition. None of muschamp's classes were as good as this one.


You're one of the most level headed UGA fans on here, but if you're really arguing that Kirby's class with a 1.2 avg difference over Muschamp's 12 class shows that UGA's class is head and shoulder's over anything Muschamp brought in, you are delusional.

Strictly on paper? You have a point. But 1.2 points difference? Really?
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 11:37 am
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