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re: Caleb Downs likely portals?
Posted on 1/14/24 at 2:57 pm to qman91
Posted on 1/14/24 at 2:57 pm to qman91
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His presence will still be felt.
Yeah. because all the players will be looking to Saban and not DeBoer.
If you mean some of his legacy will affect the team? Yeah, a little bit. But if Alabama loses a game or two the fans will begin to talk and the players will begin to doubt.
quote:An office in the stadium?
He isn't coaching but he has a office in the stadium so don't think his presence won't be felt during GameDay
That's all it takes? An office? Maybe Alabama should have given Bear Bryant an office in the stadium if that's all it takes. All of the players can look up at the office and become inspired. Look. I am one that happens to think DeBoer will turn out to be a pretty good hire.
That said, the assistant coaching staff will not be as good. You are bleeding players, so your roster will not be as good. The head coach will not be as good.
Alabama barely made the playoffs this past year when better at all of these areas. Where do you think Alabama will be improved at?
That is the one question Alabama fans need to answer. In what area will we be improved? And in which areas are we probably going to be worse?
Coaching?
Roster?
Game day prep?
Will DeBoer receive the support Saban did?
What will likely happen the first time we get hit in the mouth?
1. You have lost the GOAT coach
2. You are losing some great players
3. You are losing some great coaches
4. DeBoer is bringing in his defensive staff from a team that finished out of the top 50 in total defense (Alabama was 18th last season)
5. Washington was not top 50 in red zone defense
Your offense might be better if your QB comes on strong and has some WR's to throw to.
Alabama committed fewer penalties per game than Washington.
I mean...we'll see, but it isn't looking great AT THE MOMENT. Maybe things get turned around once he (DeBoer) gets his entire staff set and if the players buy in.
My honest opinion is it will take more than Saban having an office in the stadium to win games, though. If Alabama keeps rolling (And you might) it won't be because Saban has an office in the stadium.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 2:58 pm
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Posted on 1/14/24 at 3:12 pm to DawgsLife
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Alabama barely made the playoffs this past year when better at all of these areas. Where do you think Alabama will be improved at?
Well offense will be better first of all. We have a offense minded coach and a good portion of our offensive starters are still on campus so the bleeding players dry statement you made is somewhat disingenuous. quote:
That said, the assistant coaching staff will not be as good.
That's quite an exaggeration as well. Our current staff under Saban wasn't the best if we are being honest and a majority of the coaches KD is bringing has coached with him for years. I think our supporting staff would be quite an upgrade over what he had especially offensively. Defensive wise remains to be seen.
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. DeBoer is bringing in his defensive staff from a team that finished out of the top 50 in total defense (Alabama was 18th last season)
5. Washington was not top 50 in red zone defense
Good thing he is going to a school with significantly more talent than he had at Washington
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:03 pm to qman91
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Well offense will be better first of all. We have a offense minded coach and a good portion of our offensive starters are still on campus so the bleeding players dry statement you made is somewhat disingenuous.
Yeah. I can easily see how your offense would be better, no doubt.
However, you are losing two major depthe pieces at QB. (Buchner and Holstein) Grante they probably did not play last season but if Milroe gets hurt it could be a major conern. In order to run DeBoer's offense he is used to having Penix.
Roydell Williams loss could be big....but i think Haynes is great and will be an upgrade. (I have heard some rumblings that Haynes might be considering leaving but I file that under wishful thinking by other fan bases)
Bonds, Brooks, Benson, and Preston are major losses...IF THEY LEAVE.
And losing Niblack would be bad, as well.
Ferguson on the Oline could be a loss, and the jury is out on McLaughlin. He was pretty bad at center, but if Saban didn't replac him it might be a sign that nobody was better than him.
I don't see where my offensive bleeding comment is disingenuous at all. In order to run DeBoer's offense well you need an elite QB and some very good receivers.
quote:I get that, but they were not good defensively in the PAC12. Not good at all. Nobody on his staff was as good as Robinson. His staff did not recruit well. That may have been a case of it being Washington, or they may not recruit well. They don't have ties to this section of the country, either.
That's quite an exaggeration as well. Our current staff under Saban wasn't the best if we are being honest and a majority of the coaches KD is bringing has coached with him for years. I think our supporting staff would be quite an upgrade over what he had especially offensively. Defensive wise remains to be seen.
quote:Absolutely. And if talent was the problem, then Alabama might be alright. If coaching was the problem all the talent in the world won't save you. See: LSU.
Good thing he is going to a school with significantly more talent than he had at Washington
I am not trying to troll you.....if I were you, I would keep in mind some things. If you stay in an echo chamber (Alabama board and talking to just Alabama fans) then you will get nothing but sunshine pumpers and people looking at the glass half full. (Summer of George is the exception) I also would reject the trolls on this board. Talk to people that are not fans of Alabama, but truly want an honest discussion. You don't have to accept everything they say, but look and see if thye have any legitimate points and consider them. But honestly, if you think the losses y'all are having on offense will not affect your team, you are way off base, imo.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:04 pm to qman91
Guys back on topic - Caleb Downs
Y’all make your own thread to debate Saban retiring without leaving.
Y’all make your own thread to debate Saban retiring without leaving.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/14/24 at 4:14 pm to DawgsLife
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Bonds, Brooks, Benson, and Preston are major losses...IF THEY LEAVE.
And losing Niblack would be bad, as well.
Well all those guys are gone so there's that lol. However I love the pieces that we have that came in especially Odom at TE.
I respect your opinion you are one of the few guys who actually want to talk ball instead of troll so I will always give you your due respect
However I will get back on topic. There have been rumblings that Downs will leave but I believe it's all just smoke and mirrors.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 5:06 pm to qman91
I don’t think the talk is “smoke & mirrors”.
Probably more like a car auction.
Probably more like a car auction.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:47 pm to Long Dawg
You would hope so, but you haven't heard a definitive response so that's wishful thinking. Also as a dog fan you have KJ Bolden and Starks there so the last thing you would want id Caleb Downs transferring in and throwing that whole situation out of whack.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:55 pm to qman91
Caleb Downs and KJ are “Gwinnett Co buds” - KJ has tweeted at him with that “come on over” vibe.
Would probably work well as Starks will be a “3 & Out” Junior and he and Downs(Soph) would be the starters. KJ(Freshman) would probably be a nickel player and then in 2025 it would be Caleb and KJ.
Kirby, T-Rob and Schuman could handle it
I am not saying it’s a done deal, but Caleb is “in play” and UGA is shooting their shot.
Bama, UGA or Ohio State - could be any of those 3.
Would probably work well as Starks will be a “3 & Out” Junior and he and Downs(Soph) would be the starters. KJ(Freshman) would probably be a nickel player and then in 2025 it would be Caleb and KJ.
Kirby, T-Rob and Schuman could handle it
I am not saying it’s a done deal, but Caleb is “in play” and UGA is shooting their shot.
Bama, UGA or Ohio State - could be any of those 3.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 1/14/24 at 7:07 pm to Long Dawg
I will believe it when I hear it from a reliable piece instead of internet chatter. Also if Downs was leaving Ohio State would be a serious contender, remember he was committed to Ohio State before switching to Bama. I highly doubt Caleb Downs leave because he is a guaranteed starter regardless of who is coach but in the end it's a new age of recruiting.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 7:21 pm to qman91
Fair enough. Not trying to convince you. These things tend to be very fluid - just like recruiting. Dawgs flipped KJ on signing day, lost Raiola, got the UNLV QB in portal and he flipped to USC 12 hours later. I would hate to have to be in the prediction game for my livelihood.
I will leave you with a few thoughts on this topic though:
- Kirby is relentless
- Kirby recruited & then lost KJ back in August (to FSU verbal commit) after recruiting him for 4 yrs and 20 visits to campus - circled back and flipped him
- UGA is the pre imminent college football defense with the best defensive coaches (it’s not close)
- UGA just landed Caleb Downs primary recruiter and best Coach relationship in T-Rob
- UGA will be extremely aggressive in NIL
- Kirby was an all SEC safety and primarily a defensive coach
- home for Caleb in Gwinnett Co is 45 minutes from Athens
- Caleb’s girlfriend is in Athens
- UGA is Caleb’s best chance for Natty
- UGA is best chance to be developed and go high in draft (don’t at me with Bama defensive draft stats - Saban gone)
- Bama brought in an offensive coach with no track record in SEC and south.
It just makes too much sense…sooooo it probably won’t happen :)
I will leave you with a few thoughts on this topic though:
- Kirby is relentless
- Kirby recruited & then lost KJ back in August (to FSU verbal commit) after recruiting him for 4 yrs and 20 visits to campus - circled back and flipped him
- UGA is the pre imminent college football defense with the best defensive coaches (it’s not close)
- UGA just landed Caleb Downs primary recruiter and best Coach relationship in T-Rob
- UGA will be extremely aggressive in NIL
- Kirby was an all SEC safety and primarily a defensive coach
- home for Caleb in Gwinnett Co is 45 minutes from Athens
- Caleb’s girlfriend is in Athens
- UGA is Caleb’s best chance for Natty
- UGA is best chance to be developed and go high in draft (don’t at me with Bama defensive draft stats - Saban gone)
- Bama brought in an offensive coach with no track record in SEC and south.
It just makes too much sense…sooooo it probably won’t happen :)
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:01 pm to qman91
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Well all those guys are gone so there's that lol. However I love the pieces that we have that came in especially Odom at TE.
Alabama has been phenomenal at recruiting, so you can hold tight for a bit. You mainly (so far) got hurt with depth. That is actually the big difference between Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc and the rest of the teams. Depth is where it is at. Wear the other teams down and pull away late.
quote:Thank you. I appreciate that...seriously.
I respect your opinion you are one of the few guys who actually want to talk ball instead of troll so I will always give you your due respect
quote:You absolutely could be right all the way around about everything. Only time will tell. And, you certainly know more about Alabama football than I do.
However I will get back on topic. There have been rumblings that Downs will leave but I believe it's all just smoke and mirrors.
Posted on 1/14/24 at 9:15 pm to qman91
Hearing on Bama Rant - quoting Rivals source that Bama clapping back on UGA for T-Rob.
Weird as it’s already been announced at UGA which probably means he signed a contract. I am sure Kirby would probably let him out if that was T-Rob’s desire.
If T-Rob stays in Tuscaloosa then that would obviously favor Caleb Downs staying at Bama.
Weird as it’s already been announced at UGA which probably means he signed a contract. I am sure Kirby would probably let him out if that was T-Rob’s desire.
If T-Rob stays in Tuscaloosa then that would obviously favor Caleb Downs staying at Bama.
This post was edited on 1/14/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:45 am to Long Dawg
Sounds like Caleb Downs to Ohio State is the most likely outcome at this time.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:58 am to Long Dawg
Caleb Downs talk to OSU was happening before anything about TRob going to UGA.
Not saying having TRob at Georgia doesn’t help them if Downs does portal, but it seems Downs going into the portal has more to do with Saban than TRob.
Also sounds like TRob is staying put at UGA.
Not saying having TRob at Georgia doesn’t help them if Downs does portal, but it seems Downs going into the portal has more to do with Saban than TRob.
Also sounds like TRob is staying put at UGA.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/15/24 at 2:09 pm to AUWDE
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Also sounds like TRob is staying put at UGA.
Nailed it
Posted on 1/15/24 at 2:28 pm to OleVaught14
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Sounds like Caleb Downs to Ohio State is the most likely outcome at this time.
Downs to anywhere but Bama will be a monumental loss. Don’t let that be understated
Posted on 1/15/24 at 4:28 pm to bbeck
I think most of us have been mentally preparing for this. Will be a brutal loss.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:25 pm to Long Dawg
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UGA is Caleb’s best chance for Natty
Fair enough on the other points but this point was said this year for everyone Kirby was recruiting and we see how that turned out. Just saying.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:45 pm to TideWarrior
Saban is gone. Buckle up.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 7:33 pm to TideWarrior
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Fair enough on the other points but this point was said this year for everyone Kirby was recruiting and we see how that turned out. Just saying
To the Victor go the spoils so you get that bragging right but I think even you would admit that Bama overachieved and UGA underachieved last year and especially in SECCG.
Bama whipped UGAs arse in that game and that’s the way it is and we have to own it.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 7:34 pm
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