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re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:57 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Nah, top 5ish, top 10ish rankings matter.
Except when you say they don't... is that right?
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You guys want to talk about balance yet don't understand we hadn't had a real quarterback the entire tenure of Muschamp, nor McElwain.
False. Grier was a real quarterback... you can complain that he's gone or that he failed a drug test, but he was there. Muschamp failing to adequately develop QBs doesn't negate that they were there... Driskel looked pretty good at La Tech.
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No real playmakers outside of two guys? Average running backs and an even worse offensive line.
Kelvin Taylor... #2 Overall RB - 5*... "average" - rankings don't matter you say?
As far as offensive line, you've already proven you've got your head so far up your own arse that it's not even worth discussing. Both of them were shitty... one being bad doesn't negate the other... But to be fair, you brought in a consensus 5* OT #2 overall recruit and he couldn't take the starting job from either of your tackles so was moved inside. That's pretty indicative that the guys starting at Tackle must be at least half decent if not better... depth certainly a concern but depth at OL only really comes into play if there are injuries... otherwise, they don't get subbed out typically. (unlike DL or pretty much any other position not named QB).
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What maktters (idiot...) more is how the coach turns, notices and develops the talent.
You know, bringing in a guy like Callaway, a three star recruit and having him outperform any of our upperclassmen. Then the next year bringing in a guy like Tyrie, who doesn't even play the entire season but suddenly blows up on the scene.
See above post re: receivers "blowing up on the scene"... Also, Cleveland played in 8 games... Ridley in 6
Callaway was a composite 3*... yes. But he was also a mid rated 4* by 247 on their own rankings as the #20 WR overall in his class at a 93 rating. It's not like he was some giant surprise of a WR... he was the #47 composite WR in his class... or you know, about the same rating as Riley Ridley. He also had 18 offers, including schools like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, FSU, LSU, and Southern Cal... he wasn't some unheralded prospect who Mac took a flyer on.
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Did that happen for Georgia? Did you guys have a bunch of underclassmen come in and produce?
Amazingly enough, we did actually have some production from some underclassmen... Ridley, Nauta, Eason... to name a few. In fact, our #3, 4 and 5 receivers were all additions from Smart's first class. Our third leading rusher was a freshman as well... So yes, the team had youth and the youth performed at a reasonably good level for year one. it doesn't change the fact that the team had some pretty big holes to fill. If you're going to have a freshman QB in the SEC and expect him to play bigger than life, you need him to not fear for his life due to a struggling offensive line. Playcalling was definitely a concern in year 1 as well... it's why we have an eye on Chaney (and Smart's oversight there) this season. No one said we didn't have flaws last year that were not talent related, but your false equivalency to Will Muschamp has yet to be proven... keep spewing your nonsense if you want, but you only look dumber every time you make a post.
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 10:08 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Georgia barren with his near ten win seasons in a more difficult schedule (not my words)
2015 was the easiest schedule since at least the mid 90's.
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Georgia got a better top-ten recruiting class this year, things are finally changing.
Only you would argue ol, wr, and db aren't important positions in football. Typical dumbass straws post.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
Tyrie Cleveland didn't play for most of the season but made a huge splash near the end.
He singlehandedly won the LSU game with a tying longest reception in the series.
There is so much Georgia butthurt here. Must suck to recruit better than Vanderbilt but still lose to them -- we were in that position a few years ago, too.
Recruiting like dynamite (at least defensively) but having the fight of our lives with FCS schools. Say, it kind of reminds me of a certain coach who graduated from Georgia, too.
He singlehandedly won the LSU game with a tying longest reception in the series.
There is so much Georgia butthurt here. Must suck to recruit better than Vanderbilt but still lose to them -- we were in that position a few years ago, too.
Recruiting like dynamite (at least defensively) but having the fight of our lives with FCS schools. Say, it kind of reminds me of a certain coach who graduated from Georgia, too.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:15 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Tyrie Cleveland didn't play for most of the season but made a huge splash near the end.
He singlehandedly won the LSU game with a tying longest reception in the series.
He made one catch.
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Must suck to recruit better than Vanderbilt but still lose to them -- we were in that position a few years ago, too.
Didn't you lose by 3 touchdowns to Arkansas?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Tyrie Cleveland didn't play for most of the season but made a huge splash near the end.
He played fricking 8 games you moron. Also known as nearly 2/3 of your season. Yes, he missed the first 3 games. Also, 1/3 of his yardage production and half of his touchdowns came in the first half of the year. He had one big game against LSU, consisting largely of one 98 yard touchdown catch and literally 2 more catches for 26 yards. HOLY shite! He BLEW UP at the end of the season. (The catch was actually pretty good, but probably should have been only for about 40 yards or so IIRC... Damn I'm good... LINK - LSU defender was fighting for the ball/attempting to strip once he got beat and failed to tackle).
Ridley played in 6 games due to first a thumb injury and later an ankle injury. I'm not even saying that Ridley is "as good as" Cleveland, simply that the production numbers you're trying to say exist aren't indicative of anything more than what *should be expected* of the #2 overall WR on the way in...
As far as:
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He singlehandedly won the LSU game with a tying longest reception in the series.
I seem to recall that going down a little differently. "Florida's defense stuffed LSU's Derrius Guice on a do-or-die run from the 1-yard line in the final seconds..." Or perhaps you and I have a different definition of "singlehandedly".
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There is so much Georgia butthurt here
Ah... yes, yes... resort to the futile "butthurt" argument. Literally no one here is butthurt except yourself as you continue to look dumber and dumber as you go here. You can't cogently tie together thoughts to make a point so let's try and hurl some insults to further our cause, eh?
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Recruiting like dynamite but having the fight of our lives with overmatched schools in year 1
Florida Atlantic called and wanted to ask you if you had the (over)time... But but but, they're not FCS. That's correct. They also went 3-9 and lost by double digits in regulation to: Miami, Buffalo, Marshall, Western Kentucky, and the Mighty Miners of UTEP.
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Say, it kind of reminds me of a certain coach
Jim McElwain?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:40 pm to fibonaccisquared
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He played fricking 8 games you moron.
As a backup for half of them, you moron.
Similarly: His biggest game was LSU, and he saw more targets, albeit against tougher opponents and with 1 less game posted because of the cancelled LSU game.
So he had only started 4 games, only played in 8 total, the games he started were against LSU, FSU, Alabama and Iowa.
Not exactly an easy schedule for a Freshman to start in.
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Damn I'm good... LINK - LSU defender was fighting for the ball/attempting to strip once he got beat and failed to tackle).
Tyrie played the ball better and broke the tackle.
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Ridley played in 6 games due to first a thumb injury and later an ankle injury
As I've said this entire thread: You have an Oline, running backs and a quarterback.
Our receivers do not.
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I seem to recall that going down a little differently. "Florida's defense stuffed LSU's Derrius Guice on a do-or-die run from the 1-yard line in the final seconds..." Or perhaps you and I have a different definition of "singlehandedly".
Without the touchdown LSU has to kick a field goal to win. In fact, they don't even have to kick a field goal. Just run out the clock as they would have won.
It's a team sport, but the only touchdown came from a Freshman making a 98 yard reception.
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Florida Atlantic called and wanted to ask you if you had the (over)time... But but but, they're not FCS. That's correct. They also went 3-9 and lost by double digits in regulation to: Miami, Buffalo, Marshall, Western Kentucky, and the Mighty Miners of UTEP.
Yep, leftovers from the Muschamp days. Treon Harris sucks, as I've been saying.
Hilarious that we still blew out Georgia.
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But but but, they're not FCS. That's correct.
Yeah, that's the point I'm making this whole time.
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Jim McElwain?
Showing that dog education.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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As I've said this entire thread: You have an Oline, running backs and a quarterback.
Again, our OL sucked dick, and our QB was a true freshman.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:55 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Again, our OL sucked dick, and our QB was a true freshman.
Our OL was worse, our starting QB was a walk-on and our backup was the backup at Purdue.
Georgia was ahead on experience, stars and starts at every position at OL except RG, which was being played by a natural RT.
Gonna laugh if Georgia slips into the football dark ages after this season.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Our OL was worse, our starting QB was a walk-on and our backup was the backup at Purdue.
Georgia was ahead on experience, stars and starts at every position at OL except RG, which was being played by a natural RT.
What the frick are you even talking about?
Our LT was a 0* transfer from Rhode Island (SR, not invited to combine)
Our LG is former 4* who can't break 280 lbs
Our C was a 280 lb dude wearing ice skates (SR, not invited to combine)
Our RG was a former 4* DT
Our RT should have been an OG (SR, not invited to combine)
True freshman basically always struggle. UF not having good QB or OL play doesn't mean UGA did.
No one except you thinks that UGA was competent on the OL last season.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There is so much Georgia butthurt here
Nah. We know enough about football to understand the roster deficiencies we inherited from richt in 2016.
What you really see is frustration from trying to reason with an idiot like yourself. It's always been said it's impossible to do such a thing and you continue to prove the saying correct.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:19 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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As a backup for half of them, you moron.
Ridley started zero games. He was our 3rd or 4th receiver in most sets. The production was essentially the same... Congrats on the highly rated receiver producing at the same level as about the 40th rated receiver? Good job coachin' em up there...
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Similarly: His biggest game was LSU, and he saw more targets, albeit against tougher opponents and with 1 less game posted because of the cancelled LSU game.
So he had only started 4 games, only played in 8 total, the games he started were against LSU, FSU, Alabama and Iowa.
Not exactly an easy schedule for a Freshman to start in.
Amazing... He managed 3 catches against LSU - the one 98 yarder which as mentioned is impressive, but poorly defended. and then 2 more for 26 yards. Cool. How about those other 3 juggernauts.
Alabama - 0 catches - 0 yards
FSU - 2 catches - 19 yards
Iowa - 1 catch - 16 yards
Zero Touchdowns... yep... sure looks like a trend of amazing success at the end of the year there and not just one touchdown catch skewing the statistics. Seriously, no one even said he sucks... simply that your evaluation of his performance is misguided at best.
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Tyrie played the ball better and broke the tackle.
Ok... how does that negate that the defender wasn't attempting to tackle and instead strip - high risk, high reward... did not pay off. Good job by Tyrie, but it doesn't change the fact that essentially 1/3 of his yardage production for an entire season was in one reception. If he does that with regularity in the future, then you've got a star. Right now you've got what the experts like to refer to as a statistical outlier.
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As I've said this entire thread: You have an Oline, running backs and a quarterback.
Our receivers do not.
Now I know you can't pay attention. We have a freshman QB who makes freshman mistakes... behind what NFL scouts have called "a nightmare" of an offensive line. If it doesn't improve, there is cause for concern, but that OL was going to suck regardless of whether it was Kirby, Richt, Saban, Belichek or Lombardi himself coaching them. The SEC is a Line driven league... you will go as far as your OL and DL will carry you in 90-95% of situations.
If the UF OL is good enough at left and right tackle that a "true tackle" that was a consensus #2 overall recruit can't push one of those guy to the inside as a sophomore, pardon me if I don't buy into the "our OL still sucks" bit... You can complain about your OL in year one, but not in year 2 in any meaningful capacity.
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It's a team sport, but the only touchdown came from a Freshman making a 98 yard reception.
As I said, you and I must have different definitions of "single-handedly". I don't seem to see a lot of UF posters going around talking about 98 yards... but I see a lot of references to that defensive stand and LSU not being able to get a yard.
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Yep, leftovers from the Muschamp days. Treon Harris sucks, as I've been saying.
Cool, so in year one for Mc - it's entirely the fault of Muschamp and the recruits that he left you. In year one for Kirby - it's entirely the fault of the new coach and has nothing to do with the roster that was left behind. Just clearing that one up. Thanks.
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Showing that dog education.
Yeah... pretty much. And yet you're still here asking for more punishment. It's kind of amazing that you can't see that you're failing to make compelling arguments let alone support them factually. Carry on though, it's amusing.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:33 pm to djsdawg
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Nah. We know enough about football to understand the roster deficiencies we inherited from richt in 2016.
Huh, so you're saying the same results would be produced from other coaches? Do you think Kirby underachieved or overachieved -- simply because we're all throwing numbers out there as barometers that you don't accept unless it's about another program.
Kirby does the same as any other HC?
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What you really see is frustration from trying to reason with an idiot like yourself. It's always been said it's impossible to do such a thing and you continue to prove the saying correct.
You guys aren't using reason. You're avoiding the facts to ease the pain of having a mediocre football program who may have just hired a very bad HC with no experience to take over a roster that lacks leadership.
If you guys had hired a real HC, we would never be in this conversation, flooded with insecure dogs who are desperate to try and say that the roster was the problem when it wasn't.
Richt left the car in decent shape, Kirby drove it into a ditch.
Muschamp left the car in the ditch, McElwain is dragging it out.
There's just no competition in going 4 - 8, 7 - 6, 10 - 4, 9(10) in contrast to 10 - 3, 10 - 3, 8 - 5.
In lieu of you guys hired an inexperienced HC who seems to be experiencing growing pains, you would rather me believe:
There is no talent, or glaring talent deficiencies to the point that Georgia should struggle to bowl as they did last year.
That the stars are wrong.
That players that performed decently the year before now suck.
That Georgia has less offensive talent than, say, South Carolina who actually improved with their freshman quarterback.
So, that's where the frustration comes.
Insecurity, knowing that the stars, the years before, the recruiting rankings, the production -- are the fault of Georgia's poor showing last year. NOT the roster.
I just used an example of McElwain, who took over an actually offensively barren team and managed to beat up Georgia both years in a similarly ''easy'' East.
This is it for me, because I know you guys won't accept that another coach could have come in and done better -- and that every prediction from every expert along with every analysis was incorrect regarding the recruiting classes were actually wrong.
In the easiest East it's been in a long time, Georgia was mediocre, plugging your ears and saying it's all on Richt and contorting to make it seem ''okay'' just makes all of you guys look pathetic.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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In lieu of you guys hired an inexperienced HC who seems to be experiencing growing pains, you would rather me believe:
There is no talent, or glaring talent deficiencies to the point that Georgia should struggle to bowl as they did last year.
Both of these things are true. "Struggle to bowl" is also hyperbole.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Do you think Kirby underachieved or overachieved
The team marginally underachieved. Close losses to Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Georgia Tech that probably shouldn't have happened. Even if you discount Tennessee, the other 2 were a combination of some poor decisions and effort. If they win 2/3 of those games, they're a 10-3 team much like what you saw the previous year... Neither an 8-5 nor a 10-3 record would have changed what the team was, which was flawed at multiple positions and starting a freshman QB. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to acknowledge or understand.
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You guys aren't using reason
Pot. White Horse. Black... I've offered up logical arguments as to why your comparison of Smart to Muschamp at this time is a logical fallacy and you don't seem to understand reason nor understand what it is.
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avoiding the facts...
who may have just hired a very bad HC with no experience to take over a roster that lacks leadership.
If you guys had hired a real HC,
Opinions =/= Facts
The roster didn't just lack leadership (thanks 2013)... it lacked athletes capable of performing the necessary duties at several positions. Most notably Left Tackle, but arguably every spot other than RT was sub-standard compared to most of the SEC.
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That the stars are wrong.
Already answered... the stars can't all be wrong for Muschamp and all right for Richt... a reasonable mind would understand this.
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That players that performed decently the year before now suck.
Which players performed decently the year before that were said to then suck? Replacing your left tackle in year one with insufficient bodies to do so is a pretty big deal. Replacing your top wide out by a wide margin isn't a small task... So our top WR in year one under Smart was a kick/punt returner who doubles as a slot receiver. He's great, but he's not a replacement for an outside WR threat. UGA struggled in that the WRs that could block couldn't catch and vice versa... it was literally like a pitcher tipping his pitch depending on who we put out at WR. Going to have to address that this year or offensively we're going to be in trouble again.
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That Georgia has less offensive talent than, say, South Carolina who actually improved with their freshman quarterback.
So, that's where the frustration comes.
Diminishing returns. Have you heard of it? It's a lot easier to "improve" as a team that went 3-9 and 1-7 in conference than it is as a 10 win team... No one said UGA is devoid of talent... we said there were some areas of concern last year where there were talent gaps...
It's ok that you struggle to read, comprehend, or form a logical argument. We all understand that's not a priority in your world.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Huh, so you're saying
I am saying the roster had glaring deficiencies. Plenty of facts have been provided that have proven this, and plenty of reason has been used to explain the facts to you. Your inability to comprehend them doesnt make them any less valid. If anything, your failures validate our points.
Since you failed, you once again resort to attempting to change the subject. This time to a comparison of hypotheticals, but there is no way of knowing how another coach would have done with the same problems. It doesnt matter if one coach may have gone 10-3 or that another may have gone 5-7 because hypotheticals dont prove anything in the real world, one way or another.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:52 pm to djsdawg
I will say that when Macs fired UFs New HC will be tasked with rebuilding the entire talent level of the team because Mac couldn't bring in the talent needed to keep UF competitive. We're gonna need QBs, DTs, LB depth, S, DE, OL. Its going to be a while before UF can get back to the SOS or Meyer days. frick you Foley.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:54 pm to TJGator1215
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New HC will be tasked with rebuilding the entire talent level of the team
Let's face it... until we see something different in Jacksonville, it doesn't seem to matter what the talent level is, we're not going to be comfortable for a bit.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 6:45 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:07 pm to TJGator1215
A group of guys and I ran into 4 star QB Joe Milton on campus today and he told us that Mac offered him earlier today and he's coming back to campus later this week and committing to Florida. He may have been full of shite but he seemed cool and like he was genuine so we'll see. He's got to be 6'5 at least
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:16 pm to atlgator
Dude looks like a wiry giant in every pic I've seen. 6'5" certainly seems likely (have seen him listed around 6'4"-6'5" pretty much everywhere. He's also listed at 220+ though and I have no idea where he's hiding the weight...
Seems like he'd be a good pickup for UF though.
Seems like he'd be a good pickup for UF though.
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