re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami

No I didn't I said the talent level he had to work with was bad. Try to keep up. Mac returned pretty much the entire OL. Inexperience is no excuse he should've put them in a place to run his offense. Smart had far less talent than Mac but he's fixing that through recruiting. Mac didn't have 6 OL last year he had 13-15. Drop the excuses.

McCoy started 4 games
Taylor 12
Ivey 12
Dillard 8
Johnson 8
Jordan 7
Harkless 1

Dillard, Riles and Jordan were hurt either before the season or during. The only ones that didn't return from the year before were McCoy and Taylor. Go look at the OLs on our lads and you'll see many other teams from Texas, bama, Houston, etc did as well and had no problem moving the ball.

Mac had KT, Grier, Driskel, Powell, Lane, DRob, Mcgee, Goolsby and an all star defense when he arrived. He chose to bring in LDR and AA. Those were his picks. He could've kept Grier after his suspension. Uga, SCAR and other schools chose to go with freshman QBs but not Mac. He left an injured LDR in the game, he has underrecruited the position and underdeveloped it given Franks nor Trask are even close to being ready. That's on him. Just look at the projects at QB in Franks,Allen and Trask. Its why we're in the market for a grad transfer if the SEC allows us to take one. Mac is paid $4M plus to figure it out and he hasn't and his recruiting won't fix this mess. It will make it worse. Link them. So far all you have is excuses.

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underdeveloped it given Franks nor Trask are even close to being ready. That's on him. Just look at the projects at QB in Franks and Trask

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Have you been at practice everyday from summer workouts last year, to fall camp, to bowl practices, to this offseason? If not, how the frick do you know how they've been developed? You're talking out of your arse, again, and have no clue what the hell youre talking about. You're hoping that Franks and Trask haven't developed, you don't know though, just like none of us know. You're putting blind hope into Franks or Trask not being any better. What kind of fricked up fan does shite like that? You're fricking ridiculous

I will say this, I think pretty much everyone has a point here.

UGA fans are right - UF's recruiting has not been what it was ON PAPER. There are stats that point that out. UGA's recruiting is also better than I have ever seen it, on paper.

Florida fans have continued to move the bar on what represents success by this staff. When they were hired, last year was supposed to be there year. Now there year is maybe 2018? I don't know, what was advertised by some as a quick rebuild with the right coach is now touted as a 5-6 year rebuilding project. That seems disingenuous to me. But there are certainly a lot of positive things to point to - a seemingly higher conversion rate on the players they do recruit, more people in these classes seem to be ready to contribute than in Muschamp's classes, the fact that UF has won 10 games 2 years in a row, and won the east twice, etc.

Now, while I think TJ has been a bit TOO over the top negative, there are certainly negative things to point to with this coaching staff. Which is why I am still pretty firmly on the fence. The decision to stick with LDR against Arkansas, the complete and utter meltdown at Tennessee, etc. (not to mention a lot of crap in year one, but most people give a pass for that).

I find it hilarious that this blow out has to happen on the recruiting forum, simply because TJ isn't allowed on the gator forum. I understand he messed up which is why he got banned, but I think it's time to forgive and forget and take these debates back to the gator board.

I was talking about taking a risk of playing a freshman QB. Bamas-FSUs freshman QBs helped beat us by 56. No surprise you can't comprehend that.

Mac is 7-8 vs teams with winning records and 3-7 vs top 25. He's not good vs good teams. Stop it. He's below avg.

Wins:

UT- 9-4 28-27
OM- 10-3 38-10
UGA-10-3 27-3
UGA 8-5 24-10
Iowa 8-5 30-3
LSU 8-4 16-10
UK 7-6 45-7
W-l 60-30 66%
Avg margin of win 19 points a game or there abouts
Loses:
Bama 14-1 54-16
Bama 14-1 29-15
FSU 10-3 27-2
FSU 10-3 31-13
Mich 10-3 41-7
LSU 9-3 35-28
UT 9-4 38-28
ARK 7-6 31-10
83-24 78% outscored on avg by 20 points a game.

Nick Saban was 4-5 in his first two years against ranked teams. That's very average. Did he have a chance to get better before you fired him? Or did you fire him then too?

Mac is 6-7 against teams with 8+ wins

3-0 against 8 win teams

1-2 against 9 win teams

2-3 against 10 win teams

0-2 against 14 win teams.

He's got to start winning games against elite 10+ win teams. No one is going to argue that. Where we are now is not where we need to end up. We'll be fine though. We'll keep improving. We're in a better spot right now than we were ever under Muschamp

You don't know what Franks or Trask will be.

There's nothing wrong with Nuss. You can question some play calls but overall he hasn't been overly terrible. You're just looking through your Gator hating glasses.

I don't like Nord either.

1 out of his 3 classes were top 10, the other was ranked 12th and over half of them played significant minutes as true freshmen.

60% 2/3 stars?

He landed 5 star Antonneous Clayton last year, and 5 star Tedarrell Slaton this year. If a guy is thought highly enough to be a five star on any major publication, he is an elite ball player.

Fired Callahan when he didn't do his job. Replaced him with a coach who's in the NFL now because he's such a good coach.

Fired Mike Summers this year.

Don't feel like researching this because I'm sure it isn't true, but you're right, we need to land more elite guys.

We beat Muschamp by two scores and finished first in the east. I don't give a frick about yards per game. We would've had 44 more yards against FSU if Appleby didn't take ridiculous numbers of sacks. Don't give me the "Muschamp finished with more yards than UF" bullshite. Who gives a shite? We beat them on the field. Badly.

Unacceptable to play so badly against FSU. I've said before and I'll say it again: we have to get better against elite teams.

His teeth are atrocious but that has no barring on his ability to coach. I think this is more of an example of your personal hatred of Mac.

I think Mac is funny and he comes off well in his press conferences. Again, your personal hatred of Mac clouds your assessment of him as a head coach.

All three of the new assistants have received rave reviews from the only people that matter: players and recruits. I don't give a shite what TJ on the SEC rant says.

Randy Shannon broke defensive records in the bowl against Iowa, he's coached up two really good young linebackers, and he's known for his ability to identify and develop linebacker talent. He's known for how highly respected he is all throughout the state and specifically in South Florida. There's no reason to dislike the hire based on his on field results and how well he had the young linebackers playing when his future NFL guys were out injured.


(By the way, that's how you directly answer assertions instead of ignoring comments, moving the standards back, or changing your argument whenever you're presented with relevant facts)

TJ is like a protester taking the country apart from the inside. TJ is taking UF apart from the inside and mods allowing it is BS.

I guess we can troll the recruiting board now.

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watching you get your lips all wet for him is causing you to lose any credibility you had. Provided you are not his alter.

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Speaking on no credibility, you just went below zero with this paranoid trash. I didn't know one could do that.

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It shouldn't be a knock against him that he's won but it's been against bad teams.

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But it is, just as it was against richt in 2015. How you win and who you beat matters.