re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami

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Tj, all those other gators remind me of richt fans who thought 2015 was a good year because we barely beat shite teams and got beat down by the good ones. Some even said I wasn't a real uga fan just like you arent a real uf fan. What idiots.

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Richt had 10 years to mold his team, McElwain has had two and they're coming off the worst stretch of Gator football in the last decade and some change.

Totally different situations, totally different teams and totally different coaches.

McElwain has done more than Meyer and Muschamp since 2010, and with considerably less offensive talent. Considering those two coaches had top ten defenses and McElwain continued the tradition, the only thing that changed is that there was no kicker, QB, six offensive linemen on scholarship and no WR threat.

I'm not saying he's the best coach ever, hell, I'm not even saying he's a great coach. But he is taking us in the opposite direction of losing seasons and until he has one I don't think it's fair to say he's the same or nothing is changing -- because we did improve our record (alone) and had the first year in which we had two 500+ yard games in the SEC since 2008.

I'm saying: Give him a chance to install his players as he hasn't had any, because the last fricking loser of a coach left nothing to work with on one side of the ball.

Not saying he's great, just saying you can't shite on him in his second year when he's won the division, lost one (1) home game his entire tenure and has shown he can beat good teams (LSU and Iowa).

I have no idea why you think we ought to be competing for championships, TJ, but this thread just shows how fricking sad you are as a Gator fan. You never see this conduct from other posters, you never see posters wishing death on posters from their own fanbase and you never see people so unbelievably upset because we dominated and destroyed a team in a bowl game.

I would fricking hate to be so bitter because the HC is actually doing pretty well in recruiting and in on-field results.

Because the moderator of the recruiting forum isn't a little girl?

Let the debate rage on. Look how boring the gator board is without TJ.

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Because the moderator of the recruiting forum isn't a little girl?

Let the debate rage on. Look how boring the gator board is without TJ.

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Yeah, because arguing how much better Muschamp was than McElwain was leading to some real progress.

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Is progress what we want on a message board? I thought it was just debate.

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Debate is good when the two parties (we've butted heads before) at the very least are staying within reality. TJ, at no point, can be said to be realistic. He got banned for calling for the death of another Gator fan, not because he was a bastion of great debate.

It's not ''let's wait and see'', it's: He's worse than Zook and Muschamp. He's terrible. It doesn't matter how bad the team was, we should be competitive with Bama when we haven't been for six years or maybe even seven years.

I think we're going in the right direction, I think he's a good coach -- maybe not great but he has the potential to be either terrible or great. Shitting on a second year HC who, really, won with less talent than his predecesor who lost with more talent, is just not reasonable.

I have no idea why you think retardedly talking about how our HC is going to be fired after this year is beneficial for our board, or really, any mode of discourse other than to bullshite and pass time.

Michigan also beat the frick out of us 41-7 or do you not remember that? Wtf does the SB have to do with UF football? Not a Damn thing. A top 10 class is not good at UF. Period. Especially when the other 2 classes brought in were 3* specials. Mac's talent ratio is 60% 3*s. That's disastrous for the flagship program in the SEC and FL. Now miami is starting to take elite players from our backyard while we fight them and FSU for players in SFL.

You are nowhere near realistic. You're just looking at the record. I'm looking at Mac's entire body of work from hiring, to recruiting and in game management. He's not a fit here and will be gone this yr. We should be competing with Bama in year 2, not getting beat worse than fau. He hasn't had less talent. He's had more. That defense may have 4 1st rd picks .

He doesn't get the fact that even Richt won the SEC in his 2nd yr and showed improvement. Richts recruiting the last 2 yrs put UGA in a huge hole talent wise along the OL, WR and the defense. He got complacent.

Wins and losses matter. Winning championships matter. Going to championships in years that we had no business being in the championship game (i.e. Rebuilding years, like we've been in on offense the last two years) matters.

Mac has gone 18-5 in his first two regular seasons. 19-5 if we would've played against Presybeterian. That includes wins against ranked Tennessee, #3 ranked Ole Miss, top 15 ranked LSU, and #21 ranked Iowa. In two years. Yes, we've gotten blown out against the three elite teams we played. Bama twice, FSU twice, and Michigan once. That's unacceptable. It can't happen when you're going into year 3 and 4. Where we're at right now cannot be where we're at next year or the year after that. Mac is 5-7 against ranked teams. That has to get better. I think it will. The bottom line is, I don't care about stats. I don't care about point differential. I don't care about anything except winning games and winning championships. Florida has had more opportunities to win championships under Mac in his first two years than they had under Muschamp or Zook combined.

You can keep spinning and appeasing Georgia fans, but your criticisms of Mac are all based in your opinion that he isn't a good coach. When you are presented with facts that prove you wrong, you move the goal posts back or you ignore the post because there's no retort for it. For example, before signing day you criticized Mac because he'd never have a top 10 class at UF and you said we'd be lucky to have a top 20 class. After Mac finishes with a top 10 class, you change to "top 10 classes aren't acceptable at UF". Shut the frick up. You aren't the declarant of what the standards are at UF. You probably have never stepped foot on UF's campus (because UGA and UF always play in Jacksonville, unless you came to the 1994 game in Gainesville?)

You have continuously shown you aren't a Gator fan, and that's fine, just admit you're a troll and we'll move on. Also, that's a nice $100 million stand alone football facility and dorm enhancement that Mac got pushed through today

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Wins and losses matter.

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But when discussing quality of teams, you got to go deeper than simply wins and losses. You must consider the quality of defense, offense, st, luck, and opponent.

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Going to championships in years that we had no business being in the championship game (i.e. Rebuilding years, like we've been in on offense the last two years) matters.

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The year before last we were picked fifth for the East.

Projected 2015 Record: 7-5 (4-4 SEC) (Per BR)

Actual record: 10 - 4

https://www.alligatorarmy.com/2015/7/16/8978953/sec-media-days-2015-florida-projected-fifth-sec-east

2016 had us third in the East sitting at 7 - 5.

Actual Record: (10)9 - 4.

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/crystal-ball-predicting-every-florida-game-in-2016

So, basically, TJ, you're the only person who is surprised that we didn't go 11 - 2 like we...should have? I mean, I'm not sure what alternative you're presenting. We're winning more games than predicted and we're in the SEC Championship Game every year instead, say, getting beaten by Vanderbilt at home?

Which is perfectly acceptable, because, you know, the Georgia offense is a little thin at the line and at WR.

Because you would NEVER criticize a loss at home to Vanderbilt for McElwain, right? When it happens to Kirby you're all peaches and cream, when it's with your own HC there can be no excuse solid enough.