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re: With the dominance of Saban comes the downfall of the Conference. (Football)
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:02 am to Skeeterpop
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:02 am to Skeeterpop
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Build a program and stop trying to build a Giant Slayer. Dont react to Alabama and Saban. Build the undisputed #2 SEC team and be in position to take over the thrown we he is done.
Completely disagree. Just because the current group of ADs around the conference are collectively nitwits (there are some good ones but they are exceptions here) doesn't mean the goal of reaching Bama's standard is foolish.
Every team should be trying to catch up to Bama (with maybe, at most, 4 exceptions in the conference). The problem is the methods they've been using, as you alluded to.
It's not the pursuit of excellence that is problematic, it's the process they employ. Hence the reason everyone raves about Saban's 'process'.
But, no one has to really mimic Saban here. The SEC just needs smarter ADs selecting better coaches that do a better job of coaching than what is currently done.
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Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:12 am to crimsontater
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your school hired a hc with less than 10 years head coaching experience and a track record of winning, sit down and shut up.
Please provide a list of the remotely available coaches with 10+ years HC experience AND a proven track record of winning. There are like 5 total coaches that fit that description and none of them are available, but that's the rest of the conference's fault.....?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 11:25 am to UF
So you completely disagree with me yet your thoughts are the same about how ADs, schools are trying to run their programs. Huh? That is exactly what I said. Please tell me which ADs or schools have made above average choices over the last 5 years? I never said the pursuit was wrong. I said they process they all are going about it is wrong. Exactly what you are saying here. Smh
We now know you are not a Vandy graduate. LOL
Please go back. Read my post and read your post and tell me how they are "completely" opposite.
We now know you are not a Vandy graduate. LOL
Please go back. Read my post and read your post and tell me how they are "completely" opposite.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:10 pm to Errerrerrwere
pulling for bammer cause they're in the sec is like pulling for the devil cause he is in the Bible.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:23 pm to Skeeterpop
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Until Saban hangs it up and leave Alabama. There is NO college school that can come close to accomplishing what he has on a consistent basis. And they all are currently falling all over themselves making horrible choices and mistakes that they would never have made prior to 10 years ago. Honestly, as a Bama fan we are Lucky, Spoiled, Fortunate and Proud that our school was the perfect fit for him to accomplish what he has to this point
Well this is BS. This line of thinking is what made Joe Alleva hire Ed Orgeron. If a coach that has beaten Saban isn't available, why even try to find a lesser known guy that can project into that level of coach, right? Frick that. You have to try.
You do know that there are coaches that are coaching TODAY that will be considered great in 5-10 years, perhaps even sooner. They just don't have the exposure yet. An astute AD will be able to unearth this gem. Unfortunate thing is that most of the SEC ADs lack any vision. People with no vision lack the ability to believe that anything will ever be different than the way it is now.
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Build the undisputed #2 SEC team and be in position to take over the throne when he is done.
More defeatist thinking. Saban is not unbeatable. He can be and will be beaten by a coach that we currently are unaware of. The game passes every coach by at some point.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:43 pm to Errerrerrwere
As long as Bama is investing much more money into their program this will be the result
Posted on 12/30/16 at 12:54 pm to Errerrerrwere
Nope the "gurus" destroyed the league. Thats why the league is polluted with HS coaches, rah rah cheerleaders, and one dimensional blowhards who rode coattails to success.
Too many coaches in this league think their schemes can win instead of actual development of players. Alabama hardly ever outschemes anyone.
Too many coaches in this league think their schemes can win instead of actual development of players. Alabama hardly ever outschemes anyone.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:57 pm to jatebe
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I repeat. It's not Saban's fault. It's your dumb-assed athletic directors fault.
I have no idea why Alabama fans are so defensive about this simple concept. I would think they'd be proud of the fact that their team is so good they've made everyone else worse. For some reason, however, they think this is some kind of criticism of Alabama.
I will say again, Alabama has every right to be as good as they can be. They have no obligation to keep the other SEC programs competitive or "take it easy" on them, whether in recruiting, on the field or whatever just to maintain the overall quality of the conference. The obligation is on the other programs to improve and be able to compete with Alabama.
It is, however, not debatable that the current sad state of the SEC is just one of a long and extremely consistent series of examples of one team's dominance of a conference resulting in the other teams of that conference declining. It has happened time and again across all major conferences in the college football world and spanning several decades of modern college football history. It is not opinion. It is not speculation. It is not a prediction. It is a documented current and historical fact and we are staring it in the face right now.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:05 pm to bamafan1001
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Too many coaches in this league think their schemes can win instead of actual development of players. Alabama hardly ever outschemes anyone.
No other coach can recruit like Saban. He gets the best players and then he develops them well. I won't speculate as to how and why he is so successful in recruiting at Alabama after not being this successful at any of his other coaching stops. It is no doubt a combination of factors like most everything usually is. However, given the literal impossibility of out-recruiting Saban, how other than by scheme, can any coach actually hope to beat him?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:23 pm to Rabern57
It's time to dismantle the NCAA as it exists today. If they can't control cheating, they have no purpose.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:26 pm to allin2010
quote:Bama signs the same number of recruits every year that the rest of y'all sign.
Alabama is a machine. Their recruiting is hurting many other schools in the SEC. When we get in the Sugar Bowl with our team, it should tell you something.
The SEC should be 0-5 in bowls.
Now, Auburn has signed top 8-10 classes consistently. Why haven't they turned in top 8-10 rankings at the end of 2014-2015-2016?
Is it Alabama's fault that AU has losses to MSU/aTM/UGA/LSU/Arky/OM/Clemson in those 3 seasons?
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:30 pm to Nuts4LSU
Saban can be outrecruited and has been at times. A good scheme is fine but it cant compensate for a lack of recruiting or player development. I thought James Franklin did a fantastic job of player development.
Heck you can even be a goofy rah rah coach...as long as you recruit well and develop players(aka Dabo).
Heck you can even be a goofy rah rah coach...as long as you recruit well and develop players(aka Dabo).
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:35 pm to Luke
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pulling for bammer cause they're in the sec is like pulling for the devil cause he is in the Bible.
Great analogy!.....if you look upon Alabama as the devil.Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:43 pm to Nuts4LSU
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No other coach can recruit like Saban. He gets the best players and then he develops them well. I won't speculate as to how and why he is so successful in recruiting at Alabama after not being this successful at any of his other coaching stops. It is no doubt a combination of factors like most everything usually is. However, given the literal impossibility of out-recruiting Saban, how other than by scheme, can any coach actually hope to beat him?
"I just want you to know you've hired a horseshite football coach," Saban told Moore. "But nobody will out-recruit me."-True story
Posted on 12/30/16 at 4:59 pm to bamafan1001
Don't have to, yall get the best 5stars every year
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:35 pm to coachcrisp
Well bammer represents win at all costs, cheat, lie, etc attitude...
Posted on 12/30/16 at 5:40 pm to Errerrerrwere
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With the dominance of Saban comes the downfall of the Conference. (Football)
I like the fact that you felt the need to specify "(Football)" as though you were deeply worried we might think you meant Ralph Saban, women's water polo coach at Kentucky.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:47 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The first ever playoff poll included Ole Miss and Mississippi state. A year prior to that Auburn played for a national title. This year A&M was in the first playoff poll.
Yes, and LSU was in the first playoff poll last year. But that, along with all of the above save for Auburn's miracle season three years ago, is nothing more than the residual respect for the SEC built up during our stronger, more balanced period.
Posted on 12/30/16 at 9:59 pm to Rabern57
I just lost brain cells reading this...you really are a pussy..
Alabama and Saban is your daddy.
I know it sucks...but if it makes you feel better Alabama and Bear Bryant was your father's daddy, Alabama and Frank Thomas was your Grandfathers "Daddy" and Alabama and Wallace Wade was your great-grandfather's daddy.
Alabama is the SEC...there's no Big 6...there's the Big One and the little 13.
Alabama and Saban is your daddy.
I know it sucks...but if it makes you feel better Alabama and Bear Bryant was your father's daddy, Alabama and Frank Thomas was your Grandfathers "Daddy" and Alabama and Wallace Wade was your great-grandfather's daddy.
Alabama is the SEC...there's no Big 6...there's the Big One and the little 13.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 2:49 am to Errerrerrwere
So, Saban cheats?
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