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re: Will Georgia go down the road Tennessee went after Fulmer
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:53 pm to jvilletiger25
Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:53 pm to jvilletiger25
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Prepare thine anus
Well, that would be a switch.
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 3:57 pm to jvilletiger25
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You're a dawg fan, so I don't expect you to know what those abbreviations mean.
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NC championship
I don't know what a NC Championship is. Mind explaining? Surely you aren't talking about the elusive National Championship Championship, are you?
Oh. And don't we have the same number of National Championship Championships?
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 4:32 pm to AU24
If Smart turns out to be the next Will Muschamp it's possible but still not likely because the east is down Right now.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:13 pm to UFFan
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Tennessee needed to fire Fulmer. UGA's firing of Richt was much worse.
Smart to fire before things get too bad. Uga was fortunate to not make ut's mistake.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:24 pm to djsdawg
Fulmer pretty clearly needed to go after 08. But UGA firing Richt after 2015 is like if UT had fired Fulmer after 2004. Which was UT's second consecutive 10-3 season.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 5:32 pm to tjv305
Agreed. With the east down right now and Muschamp about to make USC even worse than they already are, Smart will seem better than he really is.
Look at the situations right now. UK and Vandy are even worse than usual, Odom has a very unimpressive resume, Muschamp is going to make USC worse than they already are, and Tennessee is handicapped by Butch Jones. And quite frankly I have to admit the jury is still out on McElwain, especially after how awful the last 4-6 games last year were. (Including the FAU and Vandy games that we actually won.)
Look at the situations right now. UK and Vandy are even worse than usual, Odom has a very unimpressive resume, Muschamp is going to make USC worse than they already are, and Tennessee is handicapped by Butch Jones. And quite frankly I have to admit the jury is still out on McElwain, especially after how awful the last 4-6 games last year were. (Including the FAU and Vandy games that we actually won.)
Posted on 8/16/16 at 6:16 pm to UFFan
Fulmer should have been gone before he was and I was a big Fulmer fan for years. He lived on his 1998 NC equity the last several years and got lazy....kept average asst. coaches way too long and didn't want anyone smarter than he was coaching for him because he feared someone would do to him that happened to Johnny Majors.
Fulmer's recruiting went South and he recruited high stars the last few years but not needs. Fulmer was a below average coach without David Cutcliffe....just look at what happened when Cutcliffe left for Ole Miss...then when Cut came back we improved a lot again. Fulmer promoting Randy Sanders to OC was the first nail in the coffin....then the day Bama hired Saban was the hammer that nailed it shut because the only thing Fulmer had left was he had a good record against Bama until Saban was hired. End of story.
Fulmer's recruiting went South and he recruited high stars the last few years but not needs. Fulmer was a below average coach without David Cutcliffe....just look at what happened when Cutcliffe left for Ole Miss...then when Cut came back we improved a lot again. Fulmer promoting Randy Sanders to OC was the first nail in the coffin....then the day Bama hired Saban was the hammer that nailed it shut because the only thing Fulmer had left was he had a good record against Bama until Saban was hired. End of story.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:03 am to DawgsLife
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And don't we have the same number of National Championship Championships?
Nope. You only have one...35 years ago...
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:17 am to UFFan
quote:You shut your damn mouth!
Fulmer pretty clearly needed to go after 08. But UGA firing Richt after 2015 is like if UT had fired Fulmer after 2004. Which was UT's second consecutive 10-3 season.
I see you want us to keep Richt to get them easy wins, but NO! Who cares about the record? Is 10 wins that great of an accomplishment when you shite the bed vs Bama? Or blow a huge lead vs Tenn? Or when you just start your 3rd string qb in the game vs UF (one of the biggest games of the season, top 3 for sure)?
Plus it isn't even that, its all the previous years coming up flat (like vs North Texas, where we led by a TD at halftime, or GSU this past season), shitting the bed in the big games (Bama, UF, USC, etc), and making dumb coaching decisions that potentially can cost us the game (like the squib kick vs GT, or H Mason's play action vs USc, etc).
It was time for a change, and Richt did all of his damage from 2002-2005 anyway (only SEC championships). He wasn't getting any better and even Mizz has won the SEC East more times than we have since they joined
. However, UGA will not end up like TENN after Fulmer, and the reason is that our state is STACKED with high school football talent, something that the state of Tenn is lacking, even Alabama, the Carolinas, Miss, Ark, etc. Really FL, GA, have the best high school talent in the SEC and somewhat LA, so I can see these schools always having the potential to be good, because of talent alone. Hell we were one of the top schools in the SEC and nation at putting guys in the NFL, now imagine what it will be like with Kirby actually locking down the boarders unlike Richt (hopefully). The class of 17, seems to have a lot of the top guys in the state are UGA commits or are in their top 3 with a good chance to land most. This has hardly happened with Richt.
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:25 am to UFFan
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needed to go after 08. But UGA firing Richt after 2015 is like if UT had fired Fulmer after 2004. Which was UT's second consecutive 10-3 season.
Ut would have been better off firing him after 2004 considering what happened in 2005.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:27 am to AU24
If UGA does it will be for totally different reasons. UGA just needed something new. UGA fans knew it, and weren't so connected to him as Fulmer at UT. Being a Tennessee boy and all. Smart shouldn't do what Kiffin did, and we all know UGA fans are pretty patient. As long as UGA doesn't drastically drop soon they should be fine.
Anyone blaming Dooley for issue at UT are the type that blame Bush for Katrina. Kiffin was UTs Katrina. It brought all the crap that had been kept in house to the top, and it all poured out. Patterson nor Sumlin wanted anything to do with it and/or able to handle it. Dooley took it all on when no one else would. He was the best stop gap we could have had at the time, and gave me enough glimpses of good in-game coaching to make me think with more stability and time he would have done better.
That's me though, and I look at his era as more an AD issue fix first than on the football field.
Anyone blaming Dooley for issue at UT are the type that blame Bush for Katrina. Kiffin was UTs Katrina. It brought all the crap that had been kept in house to the top, and it all poured out. Patterson nor Sumlin wanted anything to do with it and/or able to handle it. Dooley took it all on when no one else would. He was the best stop gap we could have had at the time, and gave me enough glimpses of good in-game coaching to make me think with more stability and time he would have done better.
That's me though, and I look at his era as more an AD issue fix first than on the football field.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:48 am to AU24
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ll UGA go the same way Tennessee did after firing a consistent winner?
Don't know the purpose of this topic but, like someone said, I think Auburn is more likely to go down the Fulmer road. Jacobs should install a revolving door in the HC's office.
One of the many differences between Richt's and Fulmer's situations is that GA is one of the most prolific states in the country as far as HS recruiting is concerned. So UGA is going to get players. That's why 9-10 wins is basically the low point for which any UGA coach should be judged, depending on the schedule and/or injuries. And I don't think anyone with any football knowledge whatsoever would compare Smart to Kiffin. You may not know this but Smart actually played at UGA, and has deep roots at the university. He's not very likely to load up the truck and move to Beverly (LA) in the middle of the night.
CMR owned AU. And, except for one stupid, fluke play, he'd have JJ's arse in a jar in his office at Miami. But he'd still be at Miami. You can't coast through the SEC. And I believe that Smart will be the guy that takes the program to the next level. He hasn't HC'd on the sidelines, but he's been a very integral part of a very successful staff and has learned directly under the best. And he's done an exceptional job leading up to his first season at UGA. He has the Dawg Nation pretty pumped and ready for the next level.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:00 am to AU24
UGA will never be that pitiful.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:07 am to jvilletiger25
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Nope. You only have one...35 years ago...
So you are just going to ignore the one in 1942?
Most people recognize that as a National Championship, however if you want to discount that one Auburn would still have one more than we do. I mean, you guys act like you have done some otherwoldly accomplishments.
I think we have gone over all the accomplishments each school has and MOST on the board, (Including several Auburn posters) agreed that Georgia has the advantage all time. So, for you to act otherwise is silly.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:59 am to AU24
This is actually a really interesting discussion. Rare on this board these days.
I would say that Tennessee and Georgia situations are somewhat similar.
Georgia was in the SECCG in 2011 and 2012, just 3 years before Richt was let go.
Tennessee was in the SECCG in 2004 and 2007, and was just a couple of plays away in 2003 and 2006.
So although UT had had a bad 2005, and 2008 didn't go well either, they didn't exactly suck in the 2000's under Fulmer.
Georgia had a rough patch in 2009-2010, and again in 2013. But Let's face it, both programs were OK, the fanbase expectations were just so ridiculously high that good coaches were forced out, with the hope that they could be replaced by "great" coaches.
I think in Fulmer's case, the game had maybe passed him by, and I think in UT's case, they made a VERY BAD HIRE. That is what hurt UT so bad. In UGA'a case, it looks like they identified a guy that they had long thought would eventually come back to his alma mater to coach, and they went and got him. Richt was just a coordinator when he came to UGA, so going after another coordinator at a national title winning program isn't a surprise.
I think UGA fans should look at UT for a lesson though. When you replace a potential HOF type of coach, who wins that many games, the odds of the next guy being even better are low.
I would say that Tennessee and Georgia situations are somewhat similar.
Georgia was in the SECCG in 2011 and 2012, just 3 years before Richt was let go.
Tennessee was in the SECCG in 2004 and 2007, and was just a couple of plays away in 2003 and 2006.
So although UT had had a bad 2005, and 2008 didn't go well either, they didn't exactly suck in the 2000's under Fulmer.
Georgia had a rough patch in 2009-2010, and again in 2013. But Let's face it, both programs were OK, the fanbase expectations were just so ridiculously high that good coaches were forced out, with the hope that they could be replaced by "great" coaches.
I think in Fulmer's case, the game had maybe passed him by, and I think in UT's case, they made a VERY BAD HIRE. That is what hurt UT so bad. In UGA'a case, it looks like they identified a guy that they had long thought would eventually come back to his alma mater to coach, and they went and got him. Richt was just a coordinator when he came to UGA, so going after another coordinator at a national title winning program isn't a surprise.
I think UGA fans should look at UT for a lesson though. When you replace a potential HOF type of coach, who wins that many games, the odds of the next guy being even better are low.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:14 am to slayerxing
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When you replace a potential HOF type of coach, who wins that many games, the odds of the next guy being even better are low.
Depends on what the standard is. The comparison should be what the coach has done lately rather than what they did a long time ago.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:28 am to jvilletiger25
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Hire a new coach and win an SEC and possible NC championship
Win one NC in 50 yrs and all of a sudden you expect to do it every time you hire a coach.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:05 pm to ArabianKnight
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Win one NC in 50 yrs and all of a sudden you expect to do it every time you hire a coach.
Been to the NC game with the past two coaches and 3 of the last 4 coaches have had undefeated seasons. Laugh all you want, but the proof is there.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:27 pm to slayerxing
As previously noted, I think in this thread, or at least on this board, I am a Bammer but kind of like UGA and think that a strong UGA is actually good for UA,and vice versa, due to competing and recruiting against common enemies.
That said, I think Smart may prove to be a decent to good head coach, and maybe even a very good head coach, but I am not sold on some of his choices for his coaching staff, offensive co-ordinator in particular. I just don't think the guy has proven that he deserved the job, and I think Smart could have done better. Maybe I'm wrong.
That said, I think Smart may prove to be a decent to good head coach, and maybe even a very good head coach, but I am not sold on some of his choices for his coaching staff, offensive co-ordinator in particular. I just don't think the guy has proven that he deserved the job, and I think Smart could have done better. Maybe I'm wrong.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:29 pm to ArabianKnight
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Win one NC in 50 yrs and all of a sudden you expect to do it every time you hire a coach
No, but our last 4 hires have posted an undefeated season or a NC appearance.
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