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re: Why these rankings are a scam
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:08 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:08 pm to BayouBengals03
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who you lost to
Obviously not.
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:09 pm to Kcoyote
Based on ranking it's not flawed at all.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:09 pm to Othello
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I'm talking about LSU beating Ole Miss. Maybe LSU was #20 or whatever. But what about my question about MSU above?
Ole Miss should be ahead of Alabama, if that's what you're referencing.
And if State loses to Arkansas and wins out, they will be ranked ahead of everyone from the SEC, most likely. Because they would have won the conference and beaten every single one of the teams in contention for the playoff.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:09 pm to Kritten
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Obviously not.
Why?
ETA: Because Ole Miss lost on the road to LSU?
Alabama lost to Ole Miss, so they shouldn't be ahead of them. Oregon lost AT HOME to Arizona.
I don't see a problem with it.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:13 pm to Kcoyote
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I think he's making the argument that losing to Ole Miss is more impressive than losing to LSU. Which is a flawed argument. A very flawed argument.
I know. And I'm making the point that you have to look at who the teams beat to.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:13 pm to Othello
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Based on ranking it's not flawed at all.
You choose to ignore the wins the teams have?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:16 pm to Kcoyote
The committee did these rankings to prove to the media that they are not in control anymore
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:16 pm to Weagle25
Other than Bama Ole Miss has no impressive wins. But I'm willing to concede, at this time, they should be ahead of Bama. But considering that OJ Howard's holding call and dropped TD and Christon Jones fumble lost the game, it's not as wide a gap as many are making it out.
I also believe they said with this poll that Ole Miss probably should have beat LSU and that Freeze blew it and they are basically giving them a pass for that game and that's kind of where I take issue.
I also believe they said with this poll that Ole Miss probably should have beat LSU and that Freeze blew it and they are basically giving them a pass for that game and that's kind of where I take issue.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What they are really saying, the BCS was not an capable way to select to select the top 4 teams in the nation. A more efficient way to select these teams is by regional bias. It is very agreeable, that the top teams in CFB are in the SEC west. If FSU and Oregon had to slug it's way through an SEC, they wouldn't be able to toe the line for a NC.
Don't get me wrong, SEC teams can control their destiny. Oregon and FSU are chosen shoe-ins.
Don't get me wrong, SEC teams can control their destiny. Oregon and FSU are chosen shoe-ins.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:18 pm to LSUNV
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The committee did these rankings to prove to the media that they are not in control anymore
Couldn't have said it better.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:19 pm to Othello
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I also believe they said with this poll that Ole Miss probably should have beat LSU and that Freeze blew it and they are basically giving them a pass for that game and that's kind of where I take issue.
The rankings are in-line with how likely it is they win the SEC. Nothing more. Auburn being ahead is because Ole Miss just lost however.
Either way, they're setting up for the winner.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:20 pm to BayouBengals03
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What we've learned is they aren't going to use any eye test bullshite. It's going to be about resume: who you beat, who you lost to, and where you played.
That's it. And that's how it should be.
7-2 LSU lost to #1 MSU and #3 Auburn and beat #4 Ole Miss.
5-2 Oklahoma lost to #7 TCU and #9 K-State, and beat #20 WVU.
Oklahoma is ranked ahead of LSU.
And you say the eye test has nothing to do with these rankings?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:22 pm to Othello
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Other than Bama Ole Miss has no impressive wins.
2 wins against ranked teams, and a decent win against Boise.
Alabama has one win against ranked teams, and a good win against WVU.
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But considering that OJ Howard's holding call and dropped TD and Christon Jones fumble lost the game, it's not as wide a gap as many are making it out.
This means nothing. That's what the committee just proved.
It's not about "oh well this team did this and should have won the game." It's about results. Who did you beat? Who did you lose to? Where did you play?
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I also believe they said with this poll that Ole Miss probably should have beat LSU and that Freeze blew it and they are basically giving them a pass for that game and that's kind of where I take issue.
No. They aren't giving any teams passes. The only thing they are giving Ole Miss the benefit of the doubt for is that they lost on the road.
Ole Miss has 2 wins over ranked teams, a decent win over Boise, and a loss against a good team on the road. They should be ranked 4th or 5th. Right about where they are.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:23 pm to efrad
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7-2 LSU lost to #1 MSU and #3 Auburn and beat #4 Ole Miss.
5-2 Oklahoma lost to #7 TCU and #9 K-State, and beat #20 WVU.
Oklahoma is ranked ahead of LSU.
And you say the eye test has nothing to do with these rankings?
LSU lost by 5 touchdowns to Auburn. The committee won't forget that.
That's not eye test. That's a 5 touchdown beat down that you can tell just by the score.
LSU deserves no consideration for the playoff unless they win the SEC. And I'm an LSU fan.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:27 pm to WalkingTurtles
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WalkingTurtles
Why these rankings are a scam
Alabama has beaten no ranked teams this season.
Jesus fricking Christ. Do a little homework before you post.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:31 pm to BayouBengals03
Ole Miss has beat one team that is still ranked. When they played A&M the Ags were #14. They didn't shut them out but they dominated them.
Alabama beat A&M 59-0 when they were #21 and beat WVU who is currently ranked.
So I stand by my statement that Ole Miss has only one impressive win the Bama win. And Bama has one, the WVU win. And Ole Miss won head-to-head but also lost to the #25 team on the road and Bama lost to the #5 team on the road. I don't care that much anyway right now but I'm just not impressed with the Rebels resume.
Everyone has been shitting on Bama's resume but Ole Miss has a less impressive one other than the win over Bama.
All I'm saying is Ole Miss is getting a lot of mileage off of the Bama win.
Alabama beat A&M 59-0 when they were #21 and beat WVU who is currently ranked.
So I stand by my statement that Ole Miss has only one impressive win the Bama win. And Bama has one, the WVU win. And Ole Miss won head-to-head but also lost to the #25 team on the road and Bama lost to the #5 team on the road. I don't care that much anyway right now but I'm just not impressed with the Rebels resume.
Everyone has been shitting on Bama's resume but Ole Miss has a less impressive one other than the win over Bama.
All I'm saying is Ole Miss is getting a lot of mileage off of the Bama win.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:33 pm to BayouBengals03
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Why these rankings are a scam What we've learned is they aren't going to use any eye test bullshite. It's going to be about resume: who you beat, who you lost to, and where you played. That's it. And that's how it should be. All these dumbass analysts putting Alabama in their top 3 (some even #1) are going to have to get over themselves. No more "eye" test. I think they did a great job.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:34 pm to Othello
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All I'm saying is Ole Miss is getting a lot of mileage off of the Bama win.
Should they not?
They also beat aTm on the road, which counts for more than a home win. They beat Boise on a neutral field, and Boise is at least decent.
Who has done more than Ole Miss? I can see them at 5th (behind Oregon). I also like TCU and might put them above Ole Miss, but I can see why the committee didn't.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:36 pm to Kcoyote
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these rankings don't do anything for the SEC,
Pure fricking bullshite. They do everything for the SEC. If for no other reason, the rankings told you that the committee thinks that the Big Ten is hot garbage. If Alabama or Auburn run the table but Ole MIss or Miss State win the SECCG, MIchigan State will have no way to jump them by only playing a #16 Ohio State and a #15 Nebraska in the B1G championship. What the committee just told you is that SOS trumps all. That's why ND is sitting at 10. That's why Oregon is at 5...because their SOS sucks relative to the top 4. And there's no way in hell that the committee will value wins over #16 Ohio State and #15 Nebraska more than wins over #1 MSU and #3 Auburn (if you're Bama) or more than wins over #4 Ole Miss and #6 Alabama (if you're Auburn).
You guys keep those tin foil hats on tight.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 8:36 pm to Othello
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Based on ranking it's not flawed at all.
Actually based on rankings it is flawed. The whole reason for the playoff committee is the current system that ranks teams even before the season starts is flawed.
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