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re: Why no love for Aaron Murray from the Rant?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Outside of 2012 UF what big game has Murray won?
I guess that all depends on your definition of big game, doesn't it? I would say our game with Nebraska was a big game. They were the easy favorite to win their conference and then had a HUGELY disappointing game against Wisconsin, a team they had beaten previously. They were 10-2 going into that debacle. but, I will continue to insist that it isn't ALL on the QB's shoulders. LSU fans are very fond of downgrading McCarron as a game manager. he doesn't take control of the game....and say he isn't a great QB. But, his team wins. So how does a QB win. You say Murray isn't a great QB despite his stats, because his team doesn't win big games. You say McCarron isn't a greta QB when his team wins big games because he doesn't have great stats.
However, you all want to make Mettenberger out to be the second coming even when he has bad stats AND his team doesn't win big games.
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Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:19 am to DawgsLife
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were 10-2 going into that debacle. but, I will continue to insist that it isn't ALL on the QB's shoulders. LSU fans are very fond of downgrading McCarron as a game manager. he doesn't take control of the game....and say he isn't a great QB
While it isn't all on the qb, the qb gets all the glory and all the blame.
Any LSU fan that thinks AJ ISN'T a great qb , is a fricking idiot and doesn't know football. Murray is a great qb as well.
This post was edited on 8/31/13 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:20 am to Shockley03
Don't get me wrong. I think he makes poor decisions with the football at times. There is ALWAYS room for improvement.
So, you don't think Marino was very good either? or Tarkenton?
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QBs are judged only by their wins and losses.
So, you don't think Marino was very good either? or Tarkenton?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:23 am to Rickdaddy4188
Not sure the big game thing holds water. How many times was it actually Murray's fault that Georgia loss? McCarron has won big games but they weren't all because of him, right? Sometimes it was him but others it was a great defensive effort or running back play.
I mean, if you had to field a football team to play a game for your life, and your choices were Murray and McCarron, who would you choose? It's not a choice between BAMA and Georgia, its a choice between those two QB's.
I mean, if you had to field a football team to play a game for your life, and your choices were Murray and McCarron, who would you choose? It's not a choice between BAMA and Georgia, its a choice between those two QB's.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:23 am to DawgsLife
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I would say our game with Nebraska was a big game.
I think this was the confidence booster he needed. He was 0-2 in bowls, including a bowl loss to UCF. He came out and didn't look good against Nebraska early, then turned it around to put up a great performance. That could have given him the confidence boost he needs.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:26 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Murray is a great qb as well.
That was the whole point of the thread. I'm not sure i would put Murray in the great category, though. He IS very good. His stats prove that. But, many really give him no respect at all. I guess that is what I take exception to. As I said...QBs are hard to get a handle on. Stats? We've seen too many with great stats that simply didn't make it. a LOT of Florida QBs fall into this category. (No offense to Florida or their QBs...they've won more than we have) And, LSU has won with mediocre QB play for several years.
(Defense wins championships, right?)
Shoot, johnny Unitas was picked in the 9TH rnd!
Bart Starr in the 17th RND! Roger Staubach in the 10th! And we can all name some that were drafted early in the 1st rnd that were complete busts. (Ryan Leaf, for one) It's just hard to gauge QBs.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:26 am to DamnStrong1860
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Not sure the big game thing holds water. How many times was it actually Murray's fault that Georgia loss? McCarron has won big games but they weren't all because of him, right? Sometimes it was him but others it was a great defensive effort or running back play. I mean, if you had to field a football team to play a game for your life, and your choices were Murray and McCarron, who would you choose? It's not a choice between BAMA and Georgia, its a choice between those two QB's.
I'm not saying I believe this but to the avg fan, sometimes a qb becomes his record against good teams. While I think it's dumb,some people do it.
I think it's dumb because football is the biggest TEAM sport in all of sports. Numerous people have to do their job to make a play successful
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:27 am to DawgsLife
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So, you don't think Marino was very good either? or Tarkenton?
They're really good, but they will never be in the same league as the top QBs to win a Super Bowl. Just like if AM breaks all the passing records, I'm sure David Greene will still be held higher in UGA fans' minds if AM doesn't win any sort of championship.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:27 am to Shockley03
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They're really good, but they will never be in the same league as the top QBs to win a Super Bowl.
So Flacco is better than Marino?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:28 am to DamnStrong1860
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and your choices were Murray and McCarron, who would you choose? It's not a choice between BAMA and Georgia, its a choice between those two QB's.
To be honest......I would probably take McCarron. I think he protects the ball a bit better. BUT, Murray is coming along nicely. I just happen to think that McCarron is better than many on here give him credit for.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:29 am to dawg4lyfe
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think this was the confidence booster he needed.
I agree. he has not played well in many big games. I think it was a matter of confidence and feeling like he had to do it all on his own. He would force balls when he needed to rely more on his teammates. I THINK he has turned the corner. we will get a better read tonight..and the rest of the season.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:30 am to DamnStrong1860
Same reason jff and AJ get no love. They are all great qb's.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:32 am to Rickdaddy4188
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I'm not saying I believe this but to the avg fan, sometimes a qb becomes his record against good teams. While I think it's dumb,some people do it.
I think it's dumb because football is the biggest TEAM sport in all of sports. Numerous people have to do their job to make a play successful
100% agreed!
I WOULD have to admit that Murray in the past has not played well at times in big games. Then again, he had 2 dropped passes that would have gone as TD against LSU in the first half of our SECCG. That MIGHT have changed the game around. Instead many will point at Murray for the loss.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:33 am to dawg4lyfe
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So Flacco is better than Marino?
I said top QBs. You compare Favre, Brees, or Peyton Manning to Marino? Marino will always be behind them because they won the Super Bowl.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:33 am to DawgsLife
And he finally has the running backs. He doesn't have to feel the pressure as much, because Gurley and Marshall are ready to light up defenses.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:33 am to Shockley03
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They're really good, but they will never be in the same league as the top QBs to win a Super Bowl. Just like if AM breaks all the passing records, I'm sure David Greene will still be held higher in UGA fans' minds if AM doesn't win any sort of champions
I love David Greene, but I think that line of thinking is silly.
That is putting the likes of Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien and Brad Johnson above Marino and Tarkenton. That's just...unimaginable to me.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:34 am to DawgsLife
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To be honest......I would probably take McCarron. I think he protects the ball a bit better. BUT, Murray is coming along nicely. I just happen to think that McCarron is better than many on here give him credit for.
To be fair , most qb that have a lot of talent around them are underrated. Only people that don't know football think AJ isn't good. He went 30tds and 3 int( 2 in one game) for the season. That's great
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:34 am to DawgsLife
I'd probably pick McCarron too because I'd want the guy least likely to make mistakes. I just wanted to focus the discussion on the players and not their teams. There's a long list of decent QB's who won championships/big games while playing for great teams (Flacco, Dilfer, Flynn, Mcelroy, etc.). That doesn't mean the QB was great.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:36 am to Shockley03
Maybe, but Flacco won a Super bowl. it simply isn't all on the QB. Marino and Tarkento would have won a Super Bowl if their team was a bit better. It wasn't because Marino or Tarkenton had a lack of ability or talent. The weaknesses were with the team. You give Marino the Baltimore defense and he would have won 4 Super Bowls..maybe more. Same for Tarkenton.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 9:40 am to Rickdaddy4188
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To be fair , most qb that have a lot of talent around them are underrated. Only people that don't know football think AJ isn't good. He went 30tds and 3 int( 2 in one game) for the season. That's great
Absolutely! Those numbers are almost unheard of. He stays cool under pressure and is pretty accurate with hsi throws. Where McCarron gets lambasted is people say he just dumps the ball off to his RBs. And that is the Bama style. but when needed, he is pretty accurate throwing the ball down the field. He does not turn the ball over, and THAT is valuable. Murray has had a tendency to try to force the ball from time to time. I think sometimes he locks in on a particular receiver and doesn't see a defender. THAT is his biggest shortcoming in my mind.
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