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re: Why hasn't Dial been suspended yet?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:06 pm to bastropbham
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:06 pm to bastropbham
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- Alabama defensive lineman Quinton Dial should have been penalized in the SEC Championship Game for his hit on Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray, SEC coordinator of officials Steve Shaw said today
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"By rule, you can't hit a defenseless player above the shoulders," Shaw said. "What the determination needs to be is was this a defenseless player and was contact initiated above the shoulders? When we go through video review of it, that's what we'll have to determine. And then you as you break it down, did he lead with the head or lead with the shoulder? From game action, it was a personal foul regardless of how we break it down frame by frame.
The SEC coordinator of officials Steve Shaw disagrees with you Gumps. But what would he know?
GUMPS, Don't let the facts distract you!
Did you read the part where he said the SEC will have to determine if Murray is a defenseless player? The fact is, Murray is not a defenseless player.
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:08 pm to bastropbham
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What the determination needs to be is was this a defenseless playe
He was not a defenselessness player.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:09 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Did you read the part where he said the SEC will have to determine if Murray is a defenseless player? The fact is, Murray is not a defenseless player
From game action, it was a personal foul regardless of how we break it down frame by frame.
Did you read this?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:09 pm to bastropbham
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From game action, it was a personal foul regardless of how we break it down frame by frame.
Did you read this?
Did you read the thread title?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:10 pm to FlukerFlakes
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Did you read the part where he said the SEC will have to determine if Murray is a defenseless player? The fact is, Murray is not a defenseless player.
So, you're the SEC?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:13 pm to Rebelgator
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So, you're the SEC?
Did you not read what the SEC wrote? It's in here multiple times. The SEC has said they have to rule if Murray is or isn't defenseless. By the rules defined for CFB, Murray was not a defenseless player. This is the difference between the Elston hit.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:14 pm to Rebelgator
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Did you read the thread title?
Or this:
"We missed the call," Shaw said.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:14 pm to Rebelgator
A defenseless player is one who is in a position that he cant defend himself. Like a layed out WR.
A player on the defensive side of the ball in inherently not defenseless.
A player on the defensive side of the ball in inherently not defenseless.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:14 pm to FlukerFlakes
Once again, you're too stupid to insult.
It's up to them to make that determination.
It's up to them to make that determination.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:14 pm to Tennessee Jed
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didn't the head of SEC officiating come out and say it was an illegal hit?
Why wasnt it called?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:14 pm to TreyAnastasio
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He was not a defenselessness player.
What is your definition of a defenseless player? To me it is anyone who can't defend themselves. Which would be Murray because he never saw Dial until he was hit.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:15 pm to bastropbham
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"We missed the call," Shaw said.
Fine. They missed throwing a flag. Still I ask, have you read the thread title? We are not talking about a personal foul.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:15 pm to plutonium55
thats been the question ever since dial knocked murray back to georgias last championship
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:15 pm to TreyAnastasio
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A player on the defensive side of the ball in inherently not defenseless.
Unless he obviously out of the play. i.e., 30 yards away and behind the play....not like in the Murray hit where he is 4-8 yards away and in front of the play.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:16 pm to HottyToddy7
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What is your definition of a defenseless player? To me it is anyone who can't defend themselves. Which would be Murray because he never saw Dial until he was hit.
you're fricking ridiculous. Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
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you're fricking ridiculous.
I'm going to bumb the shite out of this when Slive suspends his arse and says exactly what I just said.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:18 pm to HottyToddy7
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What is your definition of a defenseless player? To me it is anyone who can't defend themselves. Which would be Murray because he never saw Dial until he was hit.
My definition is the same as what the NCAA has on the books for their definition:
Rule 2 Section 27 Article 14
a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
b. A receiver whose focus is on catching a pass.
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball.
d. A kick returner whose focus is on catching or recovering a kick in the
air.
e. A player on the ground at the end of a play.
f. A player obviously out of the play.
NONE of these apply to Aaron Murray getting hit. It doesn't matter if he can't see the hit either (and he did see the hit if you find that one pic of him thats around here)
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:19 pm to HottyToddy7
He may suspend him because of the H2H hit, he will absolutely not suspend his because Murray was defenseless.
Saying he was defenseless is ridiculous. He was running towards the ball carrier to make a tackle if need be. The ball carrier was tackled within 10 yards of where Murray was blocked.
Saying he was defenseless is ridiculous. He was running towards the ball carrier to make a tackle if need be. The ball carrier was tackled within 10 yards of where Murray was blocked.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:19 pm to HottyToddy7
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I'm going to bumb the shite out of this when Slive suspends his arse and says exactly what I just said.
I don't give a frick what slive rules. I am not going to change what I think either way. Besides, most of you sad-sacks love bitching and disagreeing with Mike Slive.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 3:19 pm to FlukerFlakes
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My definition is the same as what the NCAA has on the books for their definition:
Rule 2 Section 27 Article 14
a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
b. A receiver whose focus is on catching a pass.
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball.
d. A kick returner whose focus is on catching or recovering a kick in the
air.
e. A player on the ground at the end of a play.
f. A player obviously out of the play.
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