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re: Why does University of Alabama have so many out of state students?

Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by Old Money
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:36 pm to
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MenloDawg


I'm taking the LSAT in Sept. Any good resources besides practice tests?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:36 pm to
I know a lot of smart kids that went to LSU, both from HS and people I now work with. Because there's so many LSU alums in Houston a lot of their kids are growing up here and going to the schools in Houston then going to LSU for school because it's the school they grew up rooting for
Posted by Whiskey Man
St Somewhere
Member since Nov 2012
910 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:42 pm to
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It is a beautiful campus with arguably the best greek life in the country.


Just as long as you're not one of them darkies.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:42 pm to
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AU fans are not concerned


The fact that a few of you swarm like cockroaches every time UA's progress is brought up would indicate otherwise.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:42 pm to
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Your university makes the bulk of its money off of endowments, and grants/grad students.
I guarantee you that at a university cost share of 45.6% on every grant dollar your grad students receive, your legislators couldn't give a crap from where those students come.

Now if your state doesn't have the means to accommodate its own state students, that's a different story. Otherwise, most state universities are more than happy to jack up out-of-state tuition for "foreigners," and take every research dime from out-of-state grad students that they can procure.



Look how much the State contributes to the Operational Cost of a University. The percentages look small (and are getting smaller), but it is still a high dollar figure for a small state. When the tuition increases effect the in-state students and the administrators are receiving large bonuses, the Legislators give a crap. Secondary Education dollars have been cut in the state, so Universities have to look elsewhere for students. It doesn't sit well when state money is being laundered to out of state kids, while in-state kids have to scrape for funds.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:49 pm to
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I have about 5 friends that sent kids to Bama from Florida. None of them went for academics. I doubt they could get into UF. 2 of them had to return to Florida because of grades. All went to party.
So your 5 friends sent their kids to Alabama to party, huh? That type of kid ain't gonna make it anywhere, anytime, anyway
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 7:50 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:53 pm to
That's a whole bunch of management issues that have nothing to do with the much higher tuition that out of state students pay, nor the preponderance of money brought in by grant dollars (usually out of state grad students and professors).

I'm not blaming your state one iota. In Texas, if you want to attend one of the two flagship universities, and you're not a resident, you better be a national merit scholar and/or have near perfect test scores. Otherwise, it's not going to happen.

I'm a huge supporter of states educating their own, and I always find it odd when a kid from Louisiana--whose parents have paid taxes to that state--chooses to attend ole Miss.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 7:55 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:53 pm to
They couldn't get into UF so they had to find some place that would take them.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 7:59 pm to
You'd think that they would look at FSU, UCF, USF, Fla. Int'l or another school instate before sending them to Alabama.
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
Member since Jan 2013
10161 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:01 pm to
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Yeah, our old chancellor pretty much came out and said the 10% rule was the best thing to happen to LSU. We get a lot of smart and well off kids that slipped through the cracks of the 10% bs.


Yup. All of the Texas kids I know are pretty damn smart to be honest. My good friend was ranked top 10 in his 350+ graduating class out of Fort Worth. He & his gf both came to LSU. She was between LSU and OU. I know a girl who was the valedictorian of her class in the Dallas metro. Graduated & is heading to UT Pharmacy now. Most of the Texas students who are in Ourso, Manship, Engineering, or Architecture are solid.

The communication studies, education, etc majors tend to be the shitty ones from my experience
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:03 pm to
Money Money
Posted by beachreb61
Long Beach, MS
Member since Nov 2009
1715 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:04 pm to
Hell. Ole Miss just crossed 50% out of state.
Posted by beachreb61
Long Beach, MS
Member since Nov 2009
1715 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:05 pm to
But we are pretty much in the corner of 4 states.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:06 pm to
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Hell. Ole Miss just crossed 50% out of state.


Are y'all still including Memphis as out of state? I could've sworn they were going to start including it as in-state, at least tuition wise.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 8:07 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:08 pm to
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I'm a huge supporter of states educating their own, and I always find it odd when a kid from Louisiana--whose parents have paid taxes to that state--chooses to attend ole Miss.


The difference in that situation; one is a choice and a luxury. In a state like AL, where there is no lottery and the Prepaid College Program is almost bankrupt, many children from the state are faced with going the route of Community Colleges or Student Loans. The Flagship Universities have become Education Mercenaries for other states.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted by beachreb61
Long Beach, MS
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:09 pm to
We can.
Posted by MenloDawg
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:09 pm to
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Old Money

I visited TLS (toplawschools.com) a lot during the time I studied for it. Very helpful website on pretty much anything you want to know while you're preparing for the LSAT and preparing for law school in general.


When it comes to the LSAT specifically, the best thing you can do is grind through practice tests, like you noted, and multiple choice sets. Always do them timed after you initially familiarize yourself with the material. Personally, I picked a pretty specific strategy and stuck with it:


There's 5 sections, only 4 of which count (Logic Games, Reading Comp, and 2 Logical Reasoning). I think the obvious strategy that people fail to pick up on is that you really want to master at least two of three different types and one of those two has to be Logical Reasoning. It makes up 50% of the test, so it only makes sense to spend a lot of time really focusing on it. Then, choose whichever of the two remaining that you feel most comfortable with and truly master it.


For me, I spent a lot of time doing the Logical Reasoning and Logic Games. Logic Games, I thought, were more interesting (they're literally like games/challenges) and I felt the like the answer was more tangible/less abstract than Reading Comp. If you set up the game the right way from jump street, you have a lot of your answers right in front of you. I obsessed over the games before both of the tests I took. I missed 0 questions on Logic Games on the 1st test and 1 on the 2nd test. Your cup of tea could be Reading Comprehension, you just have to know yourself.


The strategy paid off, for me at least. I got a 163 on my 1st test after trying to focus comprehensively. I got a 170 on the 2nd test after narrowing it down to the two specific questions. My biggest failure was neglecting the Reading Comp a little too much, though. It was the last section on my 2nd test. I rolled through the first 4 sections on my 2nd test and felt great about them. I actually stopped and thought between sections that I had to be somewhere close to a perfect score...then I missed 9 Reading Comp questions and it really cost me. Not only did it cost me points, but, consequently, potential acceptances/scholarship money.


As far as a particular company's materials, I preferred PowerScore. Some of their strategies might not work for you, but I felt more comfortable with them than Kaplan. Admittedly, I never tried TestMasters, though. But, whichever company you choose, be sure to take as many sections of former tests that you can - not just questions created by the company, those aren't as helpful.


At the end of the day, it comes down to how much work you want to put into it. It's a "learnable" test. If you spend enough time with it, then you almost "know" what answer they want you to choose after you read the question, but before you read the answers.


I was a pretty average student in undergrad at UGA with a 3.1 GPA. I busted arse and got a 163, then a 170 on my two LSATs. I applied to UGA, Vandy and Bama. I got wait listed at Vandy, a 1/3 tuition scholarship at UGA (needed to stay in top 40% of class after 1st year to keep it - I didn't ), and a full ride to Bama (contingent on staying in the top 60% of the class) w/ a $5k stipend (in years 2 and 3) if I obtained Alabama residency. I chose to go to UGA b/c I knew there was little chance that I was going to practice in Bama after law school and I felt pretty comfortable in Athens after going to UGA undergrad. I didn't write a letter of continued interest to Vandy after getting wait listed b/c even if I had of gotten in, which was unlikely, it would have cost me big time.


Good Luck
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:22 pm to

I could not give a shite about any of that.


FTR, I graduated high school (instate) in 2006 and had a 28 on the ACT. I received a partial scholarship from the university (don't remember the amount) and the engineering college matched it.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36373 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:22 pm to
Thanks
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140479 posts
Posted on 6/20/14 at 8:23 pm to
Prattville guru?
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