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re: Who the Rebs SHOULD be blamimg
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengals18
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:26 pm to BayouBengals18
Freeze and Bjork are both dead men walking. There is absolutely no way Freeze survives this after the appeal is over. The NCAA has them dead to writes. I listened to a USA Today sports writer earlier and he he said he expects the NCAA to give another year post season ban for this reason alone. Last year the NCAA delivered the first LOA to OM in January. Although OM was not legally obligated to make it public the NCAA suggested they do so in fairness to the kids they were recruiting. OM didn't and basically told the NCAA to FO. The NCAA is going to give them 2 yrs so that the players can that want to walk can leave.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:30 pm to Whereisomaha
So Leo is Prospective Student B,C,D& E?
Because those were named in the additional Level 1 infractions.
Or did he testify for all those other guys and corroborate Barneys testimony?
Because those were named in the additional Level 1 infractions.
Or did he testify for all those other guys and corroborate Barneys testimony?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:37 pm to Vecchio Cane
C&D are current or former ole miss football players.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:41 pm to lsufball19
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The only credible source throughout any of this has been when the NOAs have been released.
Has the official 2nd NOA letter been made public yet or was that just ole miss releasing a video first?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:47 pm to Cdawg
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Has the official 2nd NOA letter been made public yet or was that just ole miss releasing a video first?
The NOA has not been made public and the only thing out is OM's response. They're trying to control the narrative and there will be more to come once the NCAA releases the full NOA. There will be enough to establish a pattern of complete disregard for NCAA rules and that's all the NCAA needs to show LOIC.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:48 pm to Cdawg
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Has the official 2nd NOA letter been made public yet or was that just ole miss releasing a video first?
Just a video, and I think they only touched certain points of it. 2nd NOA hasn't been made public yet.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:52 pm to lsufball19
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Arkansas has made the SECCG three times. Miss State has played in it and played in the Orange Bowl a few years ago. Missouri has played in it twice. South Carolina has played in it and had three straight 11 wins seasons.
Makes realize how pathetic that Ole Miss has never made it, and they won't any time soon.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:28 pm to lsufball19
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Arkansas has made the SECCG three times. Miss State has played in it and played in the Orange Bowl a few years ago. Missouri has played in it twice. South Carolina has played in it and had three straight 11 wins seasons. This upward mobility happens. TCU has only remained a constant because they found a coach that wanted to stay there that was good. And they made the Rose Bowl when they were in the Mountain West. They also have not been great every year either. They had a good two years in the Big 12, much like South Carolina. They finished with 7 or fewer wins the other three they've been in the Big 12, with losing seasons twice. Baylor has been a plash in the pants. It has nothing to do with the NCAA trying to preserve the status quo, it has to do with the bigger programs having better resources, better facilities, a bigger alumni base, a bigger nationwide following, etc. Ole Miss will never be able to just create that. Their way of gaining a competitive advantage is to cheat more than other schools did and do
I'll give you an upvote, because for the most part, I agree.
With one point of contention:
Arkansas, Missouri, and USCe have never won anything. I don't give prizes for losing. You either win the conference, or you don't.
TCU won the Big XII in 2014. They were conference champions. Granted, shared the title with Baylor, but they won it. There is more league flexibility given the fact that UT has driven off countless teams. There are no perennial powers, like there is in the SEC.
But, you're right. Ole Miss will never be able to compete with schools that invest more money into their programs. It's no coincidence that the highest allocated football budgets correspond with national championships. Only a fool would believe that you could win big with a little investment. And paying millions for a head coach is just one piece of the puzzle. There are numerous, ancillary aspects that go into successful programs.
See, if Ole Miss was smart, they'd pour their resources into baseball. Because baseball is less contingent upon the same dynamics as football. Which is why small schools can win championships.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:45 pm to CowTownReb
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The conference is set up so that the upper-echelon rise above the lower-tiered teams. That's the very nature of the conference itself. It's not like, say, the Big XII where teams have more flexibility.
Ole Miss, MSU, Vandy, Kentucky, etc. -- will never rise to anything or amount to much. Those schools exist so that teams like Alabama, LSU, Florida and so on can go on to national prominence. It's been that way for half a century, and it will be that way moving forward for the foreseeable future.
...the same Florida which used to blow every chipmunk in the forest?
I have another theory: your sucking is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You start out mediocre, you cheat, you get caught and the resultant asteroid impact event on your program craters you for the next fifteen years or so.
You don't suck because Alabama is good. You suck because... well... you're just you.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:50 pm to Whereisomaha
quote:Multiple people doing something wrong doesn't magically make it the right way to do it; it simply means multiple people are fricking up.
One multiple players have confirmed that that is what it is used for
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:50 pm to cyde
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...the same Florida which used to blow every chipmunk in the forest?
You mean prior to conference realignment and the creation of two divisions? Which, in turn, created a dynamic for a split that enabled teams in each respective division to succeed?
I mean... you were watching SEC football back then, I take it? You talk about the league prior to 1990, so I can only assume you did.
Look at teams prior to the foundation and conference split, and how they're doing since then and today. To not acknowledge such is to throw out 30 some years of SEC football to make some ham-fisted point.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:54 pm to CowTownReb
quote:Yeah, back around the time that Johnny Vaught was blazing trails in Oxford, Florida was absolutely nowhere at all.
You mean prior to conference realignment and the creation of two divisions? Which, in turn, created a dynamic for a split that enabled teams in each respective division to succeed?
quote:That would be a logical fallacy, but by all means. Assume whatever you wish.
I mean... you were watching SEC football back then, I take it? You talk about the league prior to 1990, so I can only assume you did.
quote:Sure. Some teams that sucked then are good now. Some teams that were good then suck now. Some teams that were good then are good now, and some teams have sucked ever since they first strapped on a helmet.
Look at teams prior to the foundation and conference split, and how they're doing since then and today. To not acknowledge such is to throw out 30 some years of SEC football to make some ham-fisted point.
The conference has actually split several times, for the record. I suspect that splits and realignments and other convenient pretexts to play the victim card may have less to do with it than you might think.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:19 pm to cyde
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That would be a logical fallacy, but by all means. Assume whatever you wish.
How is this a logical fallacy? Are you stating now that you never watched SEC football prior to 1990?
The inference from your post indicated such, which is why I assumed you had. Was that an incorrect assumption? And if not, and you never have, then are you now commenting from a point of ignorance?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:23 pm to CowTownReb
quote:To assume that one had to have watched football prior to 1990 in order to comment on football prior to 1990 is, by definition, fallacious logic.
How is this a logical fallacy? Are you stating now that you never watched SEC football prior to 1990?
Conversely, to assume that one would not talk about football prior to 1990 unless he watched football prior to 1990 is also, by definition, fallacious logic.
For the record, I watched football prior to 1990, but that's neither here nor there.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:48 pm to cyde
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To assume that one had to have watched football prior to 1990 in order to comment on football prior to 1990 is, by definition, fallacious logic.
Conversely, to assume that one would not talk about football prior to 1990 unless he watched football prior to 1990 is also, by definition, fallacious logic.
For the record, I watched football prior to 1990, but that's neither here nor there.
Not when one is seeking an anecdotal opinion.
After all, this comment...
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You don't suck because Alabama is good. You suck because... well... you're just you.
...responded in turn. Which, again, is an anecdotal opinion. Not to mention that "suck" is a nebulous term. Hence, you can see my confusion.
Ole Miss struggles because of a multitude of factors. Of course, being the poorest state in the entire Union probably has more bearing on the success of its respective universities than anything else.
Ole Miss and MSU will likely never achieve anything substantial in our lifetimes. I never kid myself or have illusions about their trajectory. It will be interesting to see how well A&M does, given the vast resources and funds available.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:53 pm to CowTownReb
quote:No, it's an insult. A spin on the same tried and true "WAOM" joke.
...responded in turn. Which, again, is an anecdotal opinion.
quote:Again, WAOM. This may be one of the most WAOM moments in recent memory, actually.
Not to mention that "suck" is a nebulous term.
quote:Yes. W, A, O and M. Starting to see my trajectory here?
Ole Miss struggles because of a multitude of factors.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:27 pm to CowTownReb
Since joining the Big 12, TCU has gone 7-6, 4-8, 12-1, 11-2, 6-7 for a combined record of 40-24. They are 25-20 in conference and have 1 New Years Day bowl game and 4 total bowl appearances.
During the same stretch, Mississippi State is 40-25 with 1 New Years bowl game and 6 bowl appearances.
The poorest and historically least successful team in the SEC west has exactly matched this magical success TCU found in the Big 12.
Congrats on proving the absolute stupidity of your statement.
During the same stretch, Mississippi State is 40-25 with 1 New Years bowl game and 6 bowl appearances.
The poorest and historically least successful team in the SEC west has exactly matched this magical success TCU found in the Big 12.
Congrats on proving the absolute stupidity of your statement.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:40 pm to JustGetItRight
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Since joining the Big 12, TCU has gone 7-6, 4-8, 12-1, 11-2, 6-7 for a combined record of 40-24. They are 25-20 in conference and have 1 New Years Day bowl game and 4 total bowl appearances.
During the same stretch, Mississippi State is 40-25 with 1 New Years bowl game and 6 bowl appearances.
The poorest and historically least successful team in the SEC west has exactly matched this magical success TCU found in the Big 12.
Congrats on proving the absolute stupidity of your statement.
And yet... TCU has won the conference. It took TCU three years to win one, and MSU hasn't won one since 1941.
75 years.
The last time MSU won a conference championship, it was around the time the United States joined World War II.
And thank you for inadvertently making my point for me. The question was never which program was better. The question was which teams had the greater potential for upward mobility, given conference climate.. And the fact it's 3 years vs. 75 years, the evidence seems rather overwhelming.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:45 pm to Vecchio Cane
Why do you care more than OM fans? That is a hell of a wall of text.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:57 pm to GnashRebel
I copied & pasted it because it was an interesting perspective on the biggest story in the SEC today
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