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re: Who the Rebs SHOULD be blamimg
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:14 pm to Whereisomaha
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:14 pm to Whereisomaha
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Three people snitched. Golson and we got a level three. Leo which got us all our new level 1s and Kobe collaborated it
the player who went to a booster's hunting camp several times was a level I. I doubt that was Leo
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:15 pm to lsufball19
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the player who went to a booster's hunting camp several times was a level I. I doubt that was Le
That was Golson and it was level 3
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1. The first allegation – it is alleged that a prospective student-athlete (Prospective Student-Athlete A) went hunting near campus on private land owned by a booster during his official visit in 2013 and on two or three occasions after he enrolled, and that the access to this land was arranged by the football program. This has been alleged as a Level III violation.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:16 pm to NYCAuburn
100% copy & paste
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:20 pm to Whereisomaha
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Hell if they actually had proof of the 15k. OM wouldn't be fighting it.
They're only fighting the amount, according to Bjork, not that he was paid
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They would agree with it like the other allegations they've agreed happen
not really. They're fighting the LOIC because they have to. If they conceded those things, they would have no basis to fight the LOIC. They're basically fighting the Level I violations to hope the NCAA doesn't completely kill the program
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Y'all keep trying to twist the story to fit your narrative that OM boosters either have more money than LSU's, Bamas, and Auburns, or that your program doesn't cheat.
No, other schools just monitor their coaches and boosters and have a better compliance department that mitigates and self reports before the NCAA starts nosing around. Freeze and the Ole Miss AD decided to stick their middle fingers at the NCAA and challenged them to find wrong doing. A challenge that was accepted and won.
Maybe you remember several years back when LSU had an assistant coach provide housing for Aikem Hicks for a couple of months prior to him being enrolled at LSU. Aikem Hicks never played a down, transferred to a school in Canada. The coach was fired and LSU self-reported everything to the NCAA. LSU received a slap on the wrist.
This is what schools with competent compliance departments do. If you're forthcoming with information and don't make the NCAA find it, they're a lot easier on you. There's no way to eliminate all of it, but there is a way to show due diligence in monitoring, self reporting, and taking preventative measures. Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze did none of this, which is why they're getting hammered right now.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:25 pm to Whereisomaha
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Secondly we got away with draft night because we were able to prove the money from coaches was from a legit source being the opportunity fund
No, the opportunity fund was the tag line used from y'all's reporters and fans on message boards. There is absolutely nothing you can do to prove that was what mitigated his payments. And countless people explained how the opportunity fund worked, and it doesn't involve paying rent and electric bills and it isn't something you send in a text message to coaches. It also doesn't include regular living expenses for your family. The fact yoe are still playing that angle is hilarious.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:26 pm to lsufball19
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Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze did none of this, which is why they're getting hammered right now.
Actually one the level 1 charges is Farrar lying constantly to our compliance. Are we suppose to tap his phones? How do we make him tell the truth. I think we handled this badly but I don't think our compliance is more lax than others and that is the reason we are in this mess.
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They're only fighting the amount, according to Bjork, not that he was paid
Not really. Yes they may agree in the formal response that a particular amount was paid but the only thing they agreed to so far was improper contact
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:28 pm to lsufball19
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The fact yoe are still playing that angle is hilarious.
I'm playing this angle for two reasons. One multiple players have confirmed that that is what it is used for. Secondly, why else are there no Tunsil charges? If you have him admitting and the coaches admitting the messages are real and they gave him money, why no charges? I bet you won't answer
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They're basically fighting the Level I violations to hope the NCAA doesn't completely kill the program
Fighting and losing kills the program more than firing everyone and admiting wrong. If you know you are caught this what they would do. This is what the chancellor who didn't hire either one of them would do.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:31 pm to Whereisomaha
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One multiple players have confirmed that that is what it is used for.
which ones? And why is their opinion credible. Numerous people showed y'all the procedure for filing a claim. yes the Fund is a real thing, but it comes with it a certain procedure you have to go through to receive money from it. In the reasons for relief under the fund, not included is payment of mom and dad's rent and utilities because they are poor. Things it covers are those such as needing airfare to get home for your mother's funeral. It's not a recurring welfare payment
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If you have him admitting and the coaches admitting the messages are real and they gave him money, why no charges? I bet you won't answer
Tunsil admitted they were real on draft night. The NCAA cannot use those statements against Ole Miss. This has been discussed plenty. And going forward he has no duty or reason to talk to the NCAA. The coach involved, yeah he doesn't work for Ole Miss anymore. What other coach admitted the texts were real? (Farrar said they weren't, btw) Haven't seen that statement
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:33 pm to lsufball19
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which ones? And why is their opinion credible.
OM players. And their opinion is more credible than yours who has never used it but maybe they are making it up. Maybe they are lying. Once again, why isn't the Tunsil messages in the NOA if both parties admitting giving him money?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:34 pm to lsufball19
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What other coach admitted the texts were real? Haven't seen that statement
The university admitted they were real. The whole athletic department Admitted it.
LINK
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:35 pm to Whereisomaha
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Fighting and losing kills the program more than firing everyone and admiting wrong.
have you ever seen a program not fight an LOIC allegation? You're also assuming Ole Miss is competent and making competent decisions. They should have fired Freeze already. They should have fired other members of the AD and coaching staff long before they did. They should have done a lot of things differently, but they didn't.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:37 pm to lsufball19
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You're also assuming Ole Miss is competent and making competent decisions.
This is the one accurate point you've made. Either OM is incompetent and over their heads, which they have been so far, or they believe they can win those battles. You being the Chancellor do not take on those battles while also keeping your coach unless you are confident or incompetent
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:44 pm to Whereisomaha
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The university admitted they were real. The whole athletic department Admitted it.
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Ole Miss officials have determined that a text message conversation published to Miami Dolphins rookie Laremy Tunsil's Instagram account during the NFL draft did happen last year, sources told ESPN's Outside the Lines, but the school is still looking into whether the messages were altered before they were published.
They admitted a conversation occurred but never admitted to the content in the messages, per your source
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:47 pm to lsufball19
So they admitted the conversations between coach and player were real but the content could have been altered. So the NCAA looks into if it were altered, takes 20 minutes, and if it weren't there is your proof.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:50 pm to Whereisomaha
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So they admitted the conversations between coach and player were real but the content could have been altered. So the NCAA looks into if it were altered, takes 20 minutes, and if it weren't there is your proof.
How would they go about doing this? iMessages cannot be obtained by getting phone records to verify their authenticity. They are stored on the phone itself. If the NCAA cannot produce the phones where the messages were sent and received, and if those messages are no longer on the phone, then they have nothing to confirm they were accurate or not. This has also been discussed ad nauseam
Again, all Ole Miss confirmed was a conversation happened. They "were looking into" whether the messages had been altered. Find me another release where Ole Miss confirmed and admitted to the content of the text messages
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:54 pm to Whereisomaha
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why else are there no Tunsil charges?
The Tunsil draft night stuff reopened the case, but they couldn't make him talk and prove anything.
Say your senior year of HS, a company comes along and says, "come work for us and let us train you for 3 years, you'll make $40k/year, and after those 3 years there will be bigger companies that come along and want you to work for them, and you'll start out making $100k." You have no ties or loyalty to the company you'll work the first 3 years for, you just want to put your time in, train and perfect your craft, and get that six figure salary as soon as you can. Tunsil was done with OM, he'll probably never go back to Oxford, he got what he wanted out of OM, and he doesn't give a shite about what happens to the staff and players after he's gone. He's down in Miami making his millions. His agent and advisors probably told him the NCAA can't force him to say anything, so don't talk to them. OM fans, writers and staff members could fill up the media making him out to be the bad person in all of this if he talked.
I've read in multiple articles by national writers that the new head of enforcement in the NCAA has been conservative with charges, mostly going forward only with things he knows he can prove.
As an LSU fan from the coast that graduated in a class that had 21 guys go to OM, and many many before and after that I consider good friends... I like that OM is getting pounded on one hand, but on the other I don't like this for the conference, and what it could possibly bring in the future. Especially since OM seems to be attempting to take everyone down with them.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:59 pm to Whereisomaha
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Three people snitched. Golson and we got a level three. Leo which got us all our new level 1s and Kobe collaborated it
Hypocrisy...made up story by OM media. Link to where someone other than OM sunshine pumpers name who is in the NOA?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:07 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
There has been so much misinformation published since the start of this entire thing that I'm amazed Ole Miss fans buy anything anyone says at this point. The only credible source throughout any of this has been when the NOAs have been released.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:09 pm to lsufball19
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There has been so much misinformation published since the start of this entire thing that I'm amazed Ole Miss fans buy anything anyone says at this point.
It's funny because they'll say they've been lied to by Bjork and Freeze this whole time, then turn around and quote something some Reb beat writer published. As if the writer didn't get the info and form their opinions from info they were given by a "source" in the AD.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:22 pm to Vecchio Cane
What part do you dispute, Ace?
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