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re: Who the Rebs SHOULD be blamimg
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:23 pm to Vecchio Cane
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:23 pm to Vecchio Cane
We aren't talking bowl bans right now without the testimony of a player on our most hated rival team. That's a fact. Not only that, every team in this league has a player on it that can finger another SEC team for paying him money. Leo Lewis deserves all the hate he gets. And if this leads to MSU or any other school getting investigated(as it should) you'll be right in line on the Leo Lewis hate train.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:27 pm to CowTownReb
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That would never happen in the SEC. And it didn't happen when Arkansas and A&M joined after leaving Texas behind.
Arkansas has made the SECCG three times. Miss State has played in it and played in the Orange Bowl a few years ago. Missouri has played in it twice. South Carolina has played in it and had three straight 11 wins seasons. This upward mobility happens. TCU has only remained a constant because they found a coach that wanted to stay there that was good. And they made the Rose Bowl when they were in the Mountain West. They also have not been great every year either. They had a good two years in the Big 12, much like South Carolina. They finished with 7 or fewer wins the other three they've been in the Big 12, with losing seasons twice. Baylor has been a plash in the pants. It has nothing to do with the NCAA trying to preserve the status quo, it has to do with the bigger programs having better resources, better facilities, a bigger alumni base, a bigger nationwide following, etc. Ole Miss will never be able to just create that. Their way of gaining a competitive advantage is to cheat more than other schools did and do.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:31 pm to JohnnyRebel
I'd blame Archie and Fred, who put Freeze in charge. They knew what they were looking for and what they were getting with HF.
Freeze himself talked about “it” in the presser on Monday, though his is a decidedly different type of “it.” Whatever “it” is, “it” is why Manning, et al. chose Freeze and created a highly suspect hiring process that doesn’t pass the smell test and produces more cynicism than an Occupy Wall Street kumbaya. Wherever “it” is, Freeze better find “it," mass produce “it” and make his new team—whose double-digit conference losing streak was stopped only by this season’s end—breath, eat and sleep “it.” Otherwise, the “it” is going to hit the fan and end up all over Archie Manning’s reputation. There is a chance for all that cynicism and doubt to be swept aside. After all, Pete Boone is “retiring,” and his replacement needs to be found. Manning and Glenn are in charge of that, too.
Bleacher Report 2011
Freeze himself talked about “it” in the presser on Monday, though his is a decidedly different type of “it.” Whatever “it” is, “it” is why Manning, et al. chose Freeze and created a highly suspect hiring process that doesn’t pass the smell test and produces more cynicism than an Occupy Wall Street kumbaya. Wherever “it” is, Freeze better find “it," mass produce “it” and make his new team—whose double-digit conference losing streak was stopped only by this season’s end—breath, eat and sleep “it.” Otherwise, the “it” is going to hit the fan and end up all over Archie Manning’s reputation. There is a chance for all that cynicism and doubt to be swept aside. After all, Pete Boone is “retiring,” and his replacement needs to be found. Manning and Glenn are in charge of that, too.
Bleacher Report 2011
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:38 pm to Vecchio Cane
Had Leo not snitched, there isn't a second NOA. If there isn't a second NOA then no bowl and ban or potential loss of coach. There isn't any Tunsil stuff in the second NOA. Yes OM cheated. So Leo isn't the reason we got investigated but based on what was found, we are probably getting the modern day death penalty because of Leo.
We aren't going to blame coaches who do what all other coaches do. Did they cheat, yes. Does everyone else cheat, yes. If you think we rampantly cheat more than anyone else then you believe 15k for the most needed player in three years is rampant. You believe State didn't offer close to that. You were just put on probation for offering a 4* 3k not to visit a school. The hypocrisy after landing him, Leo, Simmons, peters, gay, jones, green, dear, shumpert, etc is astounding
I don't understand the defending of him unless you believe Leo didn't take money from state. If you believe that, or that OM is the only team offering sums of 15k to 5*s I don't know what to say.
We aren't going to blame coaches who do what all other coaches do. Did they cheat, yes. Does everyone else cheat, yes. If you think we rampantly cheat more than anyone else then you believe 15k for the most needed player in three years is rampant. You believe State didn't offer close to that. You were just put on probation for offering a 4* 3k not to visit a school. The hypocrisy after landing him, Leo, Simmons, peters, gay, jones, green, dear, shumpert, etc is astounding
I don't understand the defending of him unless you believe Leo didn't take money from state. If you believe that, or that OM is the only team offering sums of 15k to 5*s I don't know what to say.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:40 pm to VivaZapata27
VivaZapata, the True Believer.
Still haven't learned the definition of "fact"
Still haven't learned the definition of "fact"
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:40 pm to VivaZapata27
And where is Omaha chimes in with more "facts"
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:44 pm to Whereisomaha
So when the NCAA came to Leo and said, "We'll give you immunity if you're honest with us, if not, you lose eligibility" was he supposed to lie for Ole Miss? As much as it may be in the Ole Miss DNA, you can't own anyone....even if they take your $15K and sign with your rival. 
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:50 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
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So when the NCAA came to Leo and said, "We'll give you immunity if you're honest with us, if not, you lose eligibility" was he supposed to lie for Ole Miss?
This is a made up story. If they could make him lose his eligibility then they never needed his testimony because they had proof. This is the shite y'all are saying to make you feel better about being snitches.
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As much as it may be in the Ole Miss DNA, you can't own anyone....even if they take your $15K and sign with your rival.
It's amazing that on one end y'all thought we have an amazing sophisticated network of journalist, politicians and boosters who do all this shady evil genius things one day, and then now we are so incompetent to give a kid a lump sum that doesn't assure them to us. I mean we go from the super "Network" to a group of amateurs over night. You can't believe that and that we overly cheated to get all the players we ended up getting. They would have done the same thing Leo did. Take OM money and go to the school they wanted. Once again, hypocrisy.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:54 pm to lsufan1971
Freeze is just a deadman walking at Thisbe point and if you think otherwise you're an idiot.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:54 pm to Vecchio Cane
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And where is Omaha chimes in with more "facts"
Where am I wrong? We got our first NOA, and based on the NCAA matrix, reducing one level 1 means no bowl ban and 11 scholarships reduced. Our second one where all level ones are related to testimony given by Leo, now we are hit with LOIC. There's no Tunsil stuff in it. How am I suppose to deduct anything other than had Leo not snitched we are in far less trouble?
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 1:57 pm to Whereisomaha
ALL the Level 1s in the 2nd NOA relate to Leos testimony?
Start there. Explain that
Start there. Explain that
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:02 pm to Whereisomaha
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This is a made up story. If they could make him lose his eligibility then they never needed his testimony because they had proof.
Wrong...do you even know the process? The only way immunity can be handed out is for the investigators to appeal to the COI for it. They have to present the case that the institution under investigation is not cooperating and that interviewing and granting immunity would collaborate their allegations. OM's shady recruiting practices and pressure put Mr. Lewis in a position of having to choose between his eligibility or being a collaborating witness to solidify evidence them. He only did what any other kid would do in the situation.
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It's amazing that on one end y'all thought we have amazing sophisticated network of journalist, politician and boosters who do all this shady evil genius things one day, and then now we are so incompetent to give a kid a lump sum that doesn't assure them to us. I mean we go from the super "Network" to a group of amateurs over night. You can't believe that and that we overly cheated to get all the players we ended up getting. They would have done the same thing Leo did. Take OM money and go to the school they wanted. Once again, hypocrisy
It doesn't matter what I or MSU fans think, it's what the NCAA thinks and apparently they think yall are fricked. Have a blessed day!
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:05 pm to Vecchio Cane
There's 7 new level 1s. The last two being LOIC and Head coach penalty were not in the first NOA so they relate to what the other 5 level ones are in this NOA.
The other five level 1s are..
1. Rides, lodging and meals
2. Free meals and drinks at restaurant
3. Free merchandise at rebel rags
4. 15k
5. Proof Barney lied about all this.
All of that is from Leo's snitching.
The other five level 1s are..
1. Rides, lodging and meals
2. Free meals and drinks at restaurant
3. Free merchandise at rebel rags
4. 15k
5. Proof Barney lied about all this.
All of that is from Leo's snitching.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:07 pm to Vecchio Cane
hopefully this was a copy an paste...
you didnt type that, did you?
you didnt type that, did you?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:07 pm to Whereisomaha
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If you think we rampantly cheat more than anyone else then you believe 15k for the most needed player in three years is rampant.
I think what they NCAA found is all they could definitely prove, not all that actually occurred. They've made it a point in recent years not to include things in an NOA they couldn't absolutely prove, especially after what happened to them in their botched investigation of Miami. They're now working more like the Feds work....if you are indicted by the Feds, then the only course of action for a defense attorney is to try to mitigate the sentence through a plea as best as possible. The Feds don't indict unless there is a 99.9% chance they're getting a conviction at trial.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:08 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
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It doesn't matter what I or MSU fans think, it's what the NCAA thinks and apparently they think yall are fricked. Have a blessed day!
And this is how you should be. There is nothing wrong with laughing at OM. There is nothing wrong with being ok with State snitching.
I bitch when y'all think Leo didn't snitch. That Leo didn't take money from state. Or that OM got caught because they were cheating way more than anyone else. I am simply arguing those points
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:09 pm to Whereisomaha
Leo did take money from MSU but he donated it all to St. Jude.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:11 pm to Whereisomaha
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had Leo not snitched we are in far less trouble?
because he wasn't the only player that snitched and wasn't the only player involved in your level I violations. And they couldn't prove anything on Tunsil because had no leverage to make he or anyone else talk. The people invovled were gone and Tunsil on to the NFL. Tunsil opening pandora's box on draft night just gave the NCAA cause to re-poen the investigation. Him not being included in the new NOA doesn't mean y'all were clean with him.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:11 pm to lsufball19
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I think what they NCAA found is all they could definitely prove, not all that actually occurred.
Our top defensive target in three years, at our
top rival, told them everything that went on in his recruitment. What else do they need proof of? Hell if they actually had proof of the 15k. OM wouldn't be fighting it. They would agree with it like the other allegations they've agreed happen. Y'all keep trying to twist the story to fit your narrative that OM boosters either have more money than LSU's, Bamas, and Auburns, or that your program doesn't cheat.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:12 pm to lsufball19
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because he wasn't the only player that snitched and wasn't the only player involved in your level I violations.
Three people snitched. Golson and we got a level three. Leo which got us all our new level 1s and Kobe collaborated it
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And they couldn't prove anything on Tunsil because had no leverage to make he or anyone else talk. The people invovled were gone and Tunsil on to the NFL. Tunsil opening pandora's box on draft night just gave the NCAA cause to re-poen the investigation. Him not being included in the new NOA doesn't mean y'all were clean with him.
First off I don't think we were "clean" with any five star. Secondly we got away with draft night because we were able to prove the money from coaches was from a legit source being the opportunity fund. They had proof of messages from coaches giving him money. That's proof. Tunsil and OM admitted to as much. The only way it can't be used against you is if you proved it was legit.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:15 pm
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