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re: Where did the SEC stack up against the other conferences this year?

Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:00 pm to
Posted by Mohican
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:00 pm to
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Overall record isn't that impressive, in my opinion, when you look at the quality of opposition. There are a lot of bad teams on this list, and a lot of those wins were less than stellar (looking at the OT wins against Georgia Southern, FAU, and Jacksonville State)



It's all relative though. How does it stack up to other conferences? That's the question.

And then how much weight do you actually put on it?
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:01 pm to
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Overall record isn't that impressive, in my opinion, when you look at the quality of opposition. There are a lot of bad teams on this list, and a lot of those wins were less than stellar (looking at the OT wins against Georgia Southern, FAU, and Jacksonville State)


I agree with you. Against that list, 45-10 should be expected as minimum for the SEC. Combine that with the struggle with FCS and bad non-power 5 FBS teams, and it wasn't a good year for the SEC out of conference.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:05 pm to
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I believe the Pac 12 was the best conference in college football this season.


I think the PAC believes this, not sure I agree.

Bowl season should clear it up a bit.

Problem is the east and the 4 ACC vs SEC games probably affects this more than we admit. When SEC is 4-0 or 3-1 we appear up. but this year finishing 1-3 makes it seem we are down. Hopefully the SEC vs B1G bowl games fall heavily in SEC favor and Tide rolls Clemson to paint a better ending picture.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:06 pm to
I Think all of the conferences are down a little bit. I am not convinced that there is a real good football team in all of college football. any of these teams could lose to the other in my opinion and could lose to any team on the right day. Just my opinion.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:10 pm to
Big10 is top heavy in Michigan St/Iowa/tOSU.. besides those three (not convinced they are good at all) it's an absolute dumpster fire.

Big12 is probably the best top to bottom.

1) Big12
2) PAC/SEC
3) PAC/SEC
4) ACC
5) big10
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:10 pm to
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What was the best win for the SEC OOC? I'd say it's South Carolina over UNC


Agreed, though Alabama over Wisconsin was also good.

Louisville and Tech weren't as big of wins for AU and UGA, respectively, as they would have been in years past.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:11 pm to
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vs. Western Kentucky L (12-14)


Western Kentucky was really good this year but Dores shot themselves in the foot on this game.


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vs. Louisville L (24-38)


Probably a win if played at the beginning of the season like the old days. Now that it will be a season ender will probably favor the Line Beards going forward.
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:24 pm to
I don't think you can count Michigan as a dumpster fire.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:26 pm to
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Big12 is probably the best top to bottom.


Eh.

Kansas and Texas Tech are the two worst defenses in the country.

The Big 12 really didn't play much in the way of quality OOC games, so all we know is that 4 teams dominated the rest, 1 of those teams swept the other 3, and the other 3 split among themselves. That can easily give the illusion of 4 really good teams.

The Big 12, especially considering the QB losses, is not that impressive.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:47 pm to
Well here are how the leagues faired in terms of record OOC against Power Programs:

BIG 10: 9-8
SEC: 6-5
PAC 12: 5-5
BIG 12: 4-4
ACC: 7-14

Notre Dame was 7-2 against Power teams... which are included in the numbers above.

Since 6 ACC teams played Notre Dame, the ACC certainly had the toughest slate. However, if you take Notre Dame out of their record, the ACC still finished last with a record of 6-9.


Another way to look at things is to create a point system such as the one below:

+1 point for each OOC Power Program Win
-1 point for each OOC Power Program Loss
-1 point for each additional FBC Loss
-2 points for each additional FCS Loss

This system only rewards wins against OOC power teams. It does not reward any OOC wins against non-power teams, but does penalize losses. Each loss to an FCS team is penalized twice as much.

Here's how many points each league has in that system:

-3 BIG 10
-4 PAC 12
-4 BIG 12
-5 SEC
-12 ACC

The SEC had 5 losses to non-power programs, including one loss to an FCS team. That's why it faired worse.

Arkansas lost to Toledo.
Ole Miss lost to Memphis.
Vanderbilt lost to Houston.
Vanderbilt lost to W. Kentucky.
S. Carolina lost to The Citidel.


As bad as a year as this was for the SEC, it could have been far worse.

Florida won in OT vs. Florida Atlanta
Georgia won in OT vs. Georgia Southern
Auburn won in OT vs. Jacksonville State (FCS)
Florida only beat East Carolina by a Touchdown
Kentucky only beat ULL by a Touchdown
Missouri only beat Arkansas St. by a Touchdown
Missouri only beat BYU by 4 points
Missouri only beat UConn by 3 points

That's 8 wins the SEC did have against non-power programs that were by a touchdown or less. It could have been far worse.



Posted by Drive4show
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:00 pm to
Judging by the opening bowl game lines, Vegas thinks we stack up pretty well.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:17 pm to
Vegas isn't always right.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:19 pm to
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Judging by the opening bowl game lines, Vegas thinks we stack up pretty well.


Here are the SEC teams with the best chance of winning, in order, IMO:

LSU
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
Florida

I'd for sure pick Texas A&M and Florida to lose.
I'd for sure pick those first five teams to win.

That brings the SEC to 5-2 with 3 virtual pick 'ems (Auburn, Tennessee, & Ole Miss).

So I could see us going anywhere from 5-5 to 8-2.

I'd say 7-3 or 6-4 is most likely
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24923 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:20 pm to
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Judging by the opening bowl game lines, Vegas thinks we stack up pretty well.




Vegas is probably tilting that towards people's perception of the SEC as the best conference in order to get even money on the bets.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:25 pm to
Just compared my thoughts to the Vegas lines. Pretty much as I would have expected.

I'm surprised that Tennessee is a 9-point favorite against Northwestern. Northwestern is not a bad team. They beat Stanford and Wisconsin. Their only losses were to Iowa and Michigan. Not a bad resume.

While I think the Vols can win the game, I'd take Northwestern and 9 points in a heartbeat if I was a betting man.

I mean has Tennessee won or lost a game by more than a touchdown all season? They lost to Oklahoma, Florida, Arkansas, and Alabama by a combined 19 points... and beat Georgia by 7. I don't see the Vols beating any Top 25 team by more than a touchdown.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:31 pm to
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45-10 overall. Pretty good. 7 teams went undefeated in OOC play.


6-5 vs. Power Five?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:21 pm to
I think it all starts and ends with bad QB play in the league. It was pretty darn pedestrian from top to bottom.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:22 pm to
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Big12 is probably the best top to bottom.

1) Big12


We will have to see how OU does at the top in the CFP, but there is no doubt they have the worst team in the P5's

Kansas | 0 – 9 in conference | 0 – 12 for season
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:34 pm to
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I think it all starts and ends with bad QB play in the league. It was pretty darn pedestrian from top to bottom.


Imagine how bad it will be next year without Prescott, Allen, and Coker in the league?

Those are 3 of the Top 4 QBs in the conference this year. Chad Kelly is the only kid in the Top 4 who should be returning.
Posted by oman
Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
3280 posts
Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:34 pm to
Okay, not trying to threadjack, but a good number of "We will see" as far as bowls turn out.

Question: Which conferences choose the bowls their teams go to?

Are bowl matchups a wash or do all the conferences engage in some gamesmanship.

Has anyone done an analysis as to which conference has a harder bowl schedule?
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