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re: What SEC teams host regionals? Updated
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:02 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:02 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Mississippi State may have fewer SEC wins than Arkansas, but we also don't have the worst 3 sec teams on our schedule (uga tenn mizzou )
This is the whole reason RPI comes into play and is usually weighed heavily by the selection committee.
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:06 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
You also don't have wins over top SEC teams.
No series wins over conference teams with above .500 record.
State started 17-0, then has gone on to lose 5/9 weekend series since.
No series wins over conference teams with above .500 record.
State started 17-0, then has gone on to lose 5/9 weekend series since.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:14 pm to Hawgeye
Kendall Rogers thinks we both host fwiw.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:19 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Kendall Rogers thinks we both host fwiw.
SEC won't get 5 hosts.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:27 pm to ApexRex
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If it was based solely on eye test,
Both teams are very talented and look good on the field.
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conference record
Arkansas is only 2 games ahead of us...they have had a much weaker conference schedule than MSU also.
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over all reacord
MSU has the better overall record, higher SOS, and top 10 RPI.
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head to head record.
Arky has this, although their 2 wins were by a combined 3 runs while we played them on the road. Series was very close
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Arky is just better in ever aspect.
We have a higher fielding pct, a higher team batting avg, and higher runs scored (against better competition) The only thing they are better at statistically is ERA.
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Arky is a no brainer over MSU
So no, they aren't
This post was edited on 5/5/13 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:29 pm to Hawgeye
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Good lord. Kentucky has a decent RPI but has been horrible in conference play outside of a series win over State. Florida has a solid RPI but is only 2 games above .500 overall. Auburn is horrendous but has a top 50 RPI.
Your point? The point isn't solely on RPI, but a team with 40 wins and a top 10 RPI is rarely ignored for a host.
Posted on 5/5/13 at 11:33 pm to Broski
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SEC won't get 5 hosts.
I disagree.
SEC (5) - Vandy, LSU, SC, MSU, Arky
ACC (4) - UNC, Virginia, NC State, Florida State
Pac 12 (3) - Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA
Big Ten (1) - Indiana
Big West (1) - Cal State Fullerton
Sun Belt (1) - South Alabama
Big East (1) - Louisville
Others in consideration: Oklahoma (Big 10), Arizona State (Pac 12), Virginia Tech (ACC)
Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:49 am to deltaland
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Arkansas is only 2 games ahead of us...they have had a much weaker conference schedule than MSU also.
Arkansas is 2 1/2 ahead of State.
You can say weaker all you want, but State still has not beaten an SEC team with a winning record all season long. Weaker in conference schedule or not, State still has not beaten any marquee teams.
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Arky has this, although their 2 wins were by a combined 3 runs while we played them on the road. Series was very close
Isnt every series a moral victory for State?
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So no, they aren't
Actually they are when you look at quality wins in league play and quality wins overall.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:47 am to Hawgeye
You keep talking about who Arkansas has beat, yet you fail to mention that Arkansas has 2 losses to teams with an RPI in the 200+ range, while Mississippi State's "Worst Losses" are to Arkansas. Just saying.
State
RPI 10
SOS 8
Top 50 wins 14
Losses to non top 50 teams ZERO
Arkansas
RPI 39
SOS 62
Top 50 wins 11
Losses to non top 50 teams 5 (Including 2 to 200+ RPI Teams Pacific 240 and Western Illinois 249
Just throwing out some facts that the selection committe may look at.
Heck I can throw in South Carolina as well since most of you think they should host over State as well
South Carolina
RPI 11
SOS 9
Top 50 wins 7
Losses to non top 50 teams 4
State
RPI 10
SOS 8
Top 50 wins 14
Losses to non top 50 teams ZERO
Arkansas
RPI 39
SOS 62
Top 50 wins 11
Losses to non top 50 teams 5 (Including 2 to 200+ RPI Teams Pacific 240 and Western Illinois 249
Just throwing out some facts that the selection committe may look at.
Heck I can throw in South Carolina as well since most of you think they should host over State as well
South Carolina
RPI 11
SOS 9
Top 50 wins 7
Losses to non top 50 teams 4
Posted on 5/6/13 at 8:55 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
You throw out one game numbers Bundy. How about series wins?
State has lost 5/9 series since starting 17-0. One of those series includes losing 2/3 to Central Arkansas.
State is 2-7 against the top 4 teams in the conference, having been swept once an losing 2/3 to both LSU and Arkansas.
State has a losing in conference road record. States best series win this season is over a .500 conference team that is only 2 games above .500.
State started off 17-0 against teams that have a current RPI of 148 or higher. Yet, Arkansas hasn't played anyone?
State has lost 5/9 series since starting 17-0. One of those series includes losing 2/3 to Central Arkansas.
State is 2-7 against the top 4 teams in the conference, having been swept once an losing 2/3 to both LSU and Arkansas.
State has a losing in conference road record. States best series win this season is over a .500 conference team that is only 2 games above .500.
State started off 17-0 against teams that have a current RPI of 148 or higher. Yet, Arkansas hasn't played anyone?
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:00 am to Hawgeye
I do not think the SEC gets five. They will find a way to give the Big 12 at least one host.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:02 am to Hawgeye
I think there's a decent chance of 5 hosts - but if it's only 4, I give the nod to Arky over State right now.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:04 am to Hawgeye
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State started off 17-0 against teams that have a current RPI of 148 or higher. Yet, Arkansas hasn't played anyone?
Considering that Arkansas has a Strength of Schedule of 62, YES
You over blow series wins. We have struggled on the road in the SEC, yet are 4-4 in SEC series if you want to look at things. Vandy was the only team to have swept us, Arkansas got the luxury of not playing them. We lost 2 one run games at Kentucky in 40 degree weather, and a 1 run and 2 run games at Arkansas. We swept A&M on the road.
If we win our last two series we host plain and simple.
The selection committee could care less how we did against Vandy and LSU because they have been beating everybody.
RPI and SOS is going to cost Arkansas the chance of hosting.
State goes 42-15 (17-13) no way possible we dont get to host.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:18 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Over blow series wins? Are you retarded? That's what college baseball is all about.
You started 17-0 against teams that are 128-182.
Since, State has lost 5/9 series against teams that are great to good. Best series win all year is against a 25-23 Florida team.
You started 17-0 against teams that are 128-182.
Since, State has lost 5/9 series against teams that are great to good. Best series win all year is against a 25-23 Florida team.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:22 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Also, stop making excuses for losses. Every team in the conference has had to play in cold weather this spring. Every team in the league has lost one run games and out hit an opponent in a loss.
It makes you sound, well, sad.
It makes you sound, well, sad.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:27 am to Tigerfan613
Oklahoma will probably be the only shot for the Big12 to host one.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 9:31 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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State goes 42-15 (17-13) no way possible we dont get to host.
Pretty simple, if state finishes with the above, they host.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:53 am to Hawgeye
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State is 2-7 against the top 4 teams in the conference, having been swept once an losing 2/3 to both LSU and Arkansas.
You can't hold it against State getting swept by Vandy when your team won't even play Vandy, the best team in the SEC who is about to set an SEC record. So that 2-7 vs the SEC Top 4 is bullshite, at least when comparing Arkansas to MSU.
Arkansas also went 1-2 against LSU, so that's a wash.
Arkansas gets to play 5-16 Georgia instead of 21-2 Vandy and 6-16 Tennessee instead of 12-12 Florida. Must be nice.
There's a reason that State's RPI is so much better than Arkansas'--against a tougher schedule (State SOS #8 vs Arkansas' #62), State has a better overall record, better record against Top 50 teams, better record against RPI 51-100, better record against RPI 101-200, and a better record vs RPI 200+.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:06 am to Hawgeye
The undeniable fact remains that no SEC team in the super regional era has ever hosted with an RPI worse than #22 on Selection Sunday. A number that is a virtual impossibility for Arky to reach without going undefeated the rest of the way and going deep in the SEC tourney. One or two more losses and you will not be hosting.
It's 10x more common that sec teams with top 20 rpis get sent on the road than it is for sub-20 rpis to host.
It's 10x more common that sec teams with top 20 rpis get sent on the road than it is for sub-20 rpis to host.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:14 am to MedDawg
So now you want to throw out the Vandy series and act like it didn't happen? Fine, State is 2-4 against 2 of the top 3 teams in the league. Arkansas is 4-2, 6-3 if you go top 5 counting State.
Against top 100 RPI teams, Arkansas is 18-14, State 18-13. Huge difference, eh?
Again, State has proven only to be able to beat mid pack teams in conference play. Best series win is over a .500 conference club, Florida.
As I've stated many times in this thread, State still has a chance to win a series over a top 4 team, but so far has not proven to be a top team in the league.
Against top 100 RPI teams, Arkansas is 18-14, State 18-13. Huge difference, eh?
Again, State has proven only to be able to beat mid pack teams in conference play. Best series win is over a .500 conference club, Florida.
As I've stated many times in this thread, State still has a chance to win a series over a top 4 team, but so far has not proven to be a top team in the league.
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