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re: What is Malzahn's philosophy in recruiting?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:13 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:13 am to Irons Puppet
fair point
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Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:22 am to Irons Puppet
quote:We had a rough couple of years in the secondary, it's been addressed.
I have the direct opposite question about Saban's recruiting. It seems he recruits 5-7 LBs every year. I know some are converted to DLs, but does he process those who do not fit his Defense. He always recruited big name DBs, but depth at that position has seemed to effect that secondary.
I have a really hard time questioning Saban's recruiting though. He's hauled in the top class 6 straight years resulting in 4 of the last 7 National Championships. What the frick should I have questions about?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:40 am to flyAU
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Go to your safe space for a time out.
This is my safe space...it's the real world that's dangerous. Unless of course you actually give a shite what anyone says here.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:48 am to piggidyphish
Auburn has been recruiting the same linebackers as Alabama, but since Saban has been at Bama the linebackers tend to go there.
It is not like Auburn did not want Foster, Evans, or the two in state 5* this year.
It is not like Auburn did not want Foster, Evans, or the two in state 5* this year.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:55 am to RT1941
I am not arguing tactics. I think Auburn's LB recruiting has cost them some very good teams. I also think Bama's secondary has cost them over the years. Luckily for Saban, the SEC didn't have many QBs to take advantage of them.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 9:56 am to bird35
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It is not like Auburn did not want Foster, Evans, or the two in state 5* this year.
Their offers weren't commitable, don't kid yourself.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 10:13 am to Irons Puppet
quote:Our secondary has been a liability at times and it's been a glarring deficiency that has been rectified.
I am not arguing tactics. I think Auburn's LB recruiting has cost them some very good teams. I also think Bama's secondary has cost them over the years. Luckily for Saban, the SEC didn't have many QBs to take advantage of them.
I'll agree that SEC QB recruiting and more importantly development has sucked. It's shocking that the SEC is the most talented conference in the country and can't seem to field solid QBs. The SEC's Big 6 QBs have been subpar for the most part the last few of years.
I'll also say that when a head coach chooses to run a program that lives and dies by the QB, they will have a hard time consistantly winning at an elite level.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 10:20 am to RT1941
stockpiling 4 and 5 stars that don't fit your system is pretty much a waste of time... which is why I don't necessarily live and die by what a recruiting class is ranked. Yes you want the best players... but they have to be the right fit (see Alabama)
If you are recruiting a 4-3 outside linebacker and you run a 3-4 scheme then you are asking a player to convert to something that he isn't. It would be like a Spread team signing a huge TE... good player, doesn't fit the system. Sure you can adapt but I hope you get my point.
As for Gus, it appears that the pressure to sign top 10 classes may take precedent over actually filling needs. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like from the outside looking in.
If you are recruiting a 4-3 outside linebacker and you run a 3-4 scheme then you are asking a player to convert to something that he isn't. It would be like a Spread team signing a huge TE... good player, doesn't fit the system. Sure you can adapt but I hope you get my point.
As for Gus, it appears that the pressure to sign top 10 classes may take precedent over actually filling needs. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like from the outside looking in.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 10:20 am to Irons Puppet
quote:Seriously?...you obviously don't watch how he subs his players....ever seen how Alabama has about 20 guys standing on the field watching to see what offensive package the opponent is gonna use, then about half sprint off when the offensive players come into the game?...it's called depth.
have the direct opposite question about Saban's recruiting. It seems he recruits 5-7 LBs every year. I know some are converted to DLs, but does he process those who do not fit his Defense. He always recruited big name DBs, but depth at that position has seemed to effect that secondary.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 11:31 am to Aman
Really don't know the defense recruiting process of Malzahn. However, I believe some of the defense #'s are hurt by the teams he plays each week. If his offense could stay on the field longer also hurts those #'s. It looks from the outside his defense is set-up like a Big 12 defense.
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/4/16 at 11:31 am to ElDawgHawg
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Yes you want the best players... but they have to be the right fit
Is this what Bert is selling Arkansas fans to explain his poor recruiting?
Posted on 2/4/16 at 11:39 am to Aman
Well you're blind then because we did sign one LB.
We have plenty of LBs. We just can't land many really good ones. We landed Tre Williams and he looks like he'll turn out for us but why sign a bunch of mediocre LBs when that's what we already have? We signed 4 4* LBs last year. We went after some 5*s this year but couldn't get them.
We have plenty of LBs. We just can't land many really good ones. We landed Tre Williams and he looks like he'll turn out for us but why sign a bunch of mediocre LBs when that's what we already have? We signed 4 4* LBs last year. We went after some 5*s this year but couldn't get them.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 11:47 am to ElDawgHawg
So Gus recruiting in the top 10 is hurting his chances of having sustained success?... I can understand addressing needs, but DL and WR (the backbone of this class) were huge areas of need.
Staff turnover at LB has a ton to do with the lack of success at that position group... not some notion that were just for ignoring it.
Staff turnover at LB has a ton to do with the lack of success at that position group... not some notion that were just for ignoring it.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 11:49 am to Weagle25
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Well you're blind then because we did sign one LB.
We have plenty of LBs. We just can't land many really good ones
I'm not even gonna go after that one!
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:02 pm to coachcrisp
I just remembered that yall hired Steele. HAHAHA. Thanks again for that.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:07 pm to coachcrisp
What's funny about that?
On the roster, we have Toney, Davis, McBryde, Mitchell, D. Williams, T. Williams, Holland, Atkinson (maybe), and now Threat.
That's plenty of LBs. Its a quality issue not a quantity issue. I think Holland, and both of the Williams could be good the rest are pretty iffy.
OP is arguing it's a quantity issue
On the roster, we have Toney, Davis, McBryde, Mitchell, D. Williams, T. Williams, Holland, Atkinson (maybe), and now Threat.
That's plenty of LBs. Its a quality issue not a quantity issue. I think Holland, and both of the Williams could be good the rest are pretty iffy.
OP is arguing it's a quantity issue
This post was edited on 2/4/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:10 pm to Aman
Steele refused to coach Lb'ers at LSU. Gus is making him coach a position group at Auburn, so naturally Steele signs zero linebackers to lighten his workload.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:10 pm to Aman
Seriously, does Gus even know what to look for in a quality LB? I would think Auburn's decision on who to offer a scholarship for a LB would fall on the responsibility of whoever on that staff who knows the defense.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:57 pm to logjamming
quote:weird, i thought travis williams was the lb coach
Gus is making him coach a position group at Auburn
quote:til that tre threat isn't a lb
so naturally Steele signs zero linebackers to lighten his workload.
Posted on 2/4/16 at 12:58 pm to East Coast Band
quote:no. its impossible for an offensive coach to know what makes a good defensive player
Seriously, does Gus even know what to look for in a quality LB?
quote:sucks that muschamp didn't offer tre threat a scholarship
I would think Auburn's decision on who to offer a scholarship for a LB would fall on the responsibility of whoever on that staff who knows the defense.
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