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Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:31 am to AlaTiger
He's terrible.
Bill King should be given the title of "Mr College Football". He smokes everyone.
Bill King should be given the title of "Mr College Football". He smokes everyone.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:52 am to AlaTiger
While I agree Tony isn't a subject matter expert anymore, he's a nice guy and I don't really understand the spite for him. He's not particularly controversial either.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 8:56 am to AlaTiger
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For example, his take on Alabama was, they are talented everywhere but they lost a lot on offense and we have no idea who their QB will be, but I think they will win the West.
quote:Tony is just stating the obvious based on what he's seen happen recently.
His take on LSU? They are really, really talented at every position on the field but none of it matters until we know that their QB is going to be pretty good. So, don't expect anything from them at all.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:01 am to RollTide1987
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His take on LSU? They are really, really talented at every position on the field but none of it matters until we know that their QB is going to be pretty good. So, don't expect anything from them at all. This seems like spot-on analysis just going by historical trends.
I agree with you. I don't understand why this rankles most of our fans, who look at any criticism by an outsider and get bent out of shape when a lot of us are saying the same thing.
If you can promise me Les Miles will start the better QB, even if that's Jennings, and if you can promise me the starter will play better than last year and complete more than 50 percent of his passes, and if you can promise me the offense will put up more than 17 points in a big game, then you can consider LSU a major threat. Until then, expect at least three losses or more and a middling bowl game.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:34 am to cheo25
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I agree with you. I don't understand why this rankles most of our fans, who look at any criticism by an outsider and get bent out of shape when a lot of us are saying the same thing.
You are entirely missing my point. I have no problem with stating the obvious. I agree with the assessment. But, Alabama loses a lot more and he has no idea what the QB will be like. He picks them to win the SEC. LSU is loaded all over the field, returns 16 starters, and is questionable at QB. He says they will go 8-4.
That is not an analysis. It is transposing last year onto this year and ignoring every other possible factor for both teams. It is essentially saying that because Alabama was successful in the past they will be in the future and because LSU struggled last year we should discount them for this year even though they return almost everyone.
He just gave the same basic assessment as your typical Ranter.
I am not mad at the perspective. I get it. I pretty much feel the same way and won't get excited about LSU until I know the QBs can do something. And, I will expect for Alabama to be good until I see otherwise.
BUT, I am not Mr. SEC Football and I don't do analysis for a living. How about if he gets off his butt and actually finds out what is going on THIS year instead of just spouting what he saw last November?
That is my point. It is a message board so I am sharing opinion. He didn't even mention Arkansas or Mississippi State in his SEC rundown. It is just lazy.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 9:50 am to AlaTiger
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What Does Tony Barnhart Know That the Average SEC Fan Doesn't Know?
He knows much more about the history of southern football than the average SEC fan. He's pretty much a historian of college football, particularly SEC and ACC football. The average fan might know a good deal 'bout his team's recent history but is probably ignorant 'bout most of the other SEC schools...Barnhart could probably tell you tidbits about any prominent southern team's history from long ago...
That being said, his predictions for the season can be taken with a grain of salt as can the predictions of all prognosticators, so-called professionals and us armchair "experts" alike. Barnhart probably bases most of his analysis on historical trends, which is not necessarily a bad thing...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:10 am to AlaTiger
Tony Barnhart steals money. I think everyone on this board could do his job. He brings nothing original to the table. As mentioned above his analysis stops at the surface level. He's the Captain Obvious of College Football. I listened to someone interview him during the middle of last season and he was asked who he thought would be in the playoff. He literally named about 16 teams. Way to go out on a limb there Tony.
Kudos to him for parlaying his skills...or lack thereof...into a well paying job. At least he doesn't troll fans for a living like some other "analysts."
Kudos to him for parlaying his skills...or lack thereof...into a well paying job. At least he doesn't troll fans for a living like some other "analysts."
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Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:35 am to AlaTiger
The kind of stuff you are looking for he can't tell because he doesn't want to lose his insider privy. He is no better than the next ten in line he was just in the right place at the right time.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:39 am to AlaTiger
Eh, I think you're overestimating how much the average fan knows
Posted on 4/17/15 at 10:53 am to GaTiger77
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All of the time he looks like a clown.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:14 am to FairhopeTider
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Tony Barnhart steals money. I think everyone on this board could do his job. He brings nothing original to the table. As mentioned above his analysis stops at the surface level. He's the Captain Obvious of College Football. I listened to someone interview him during the middle of last season and he was asked who he thought would be in the playoff. He literally named about 16 teams. Way to go out on a limb there Tony.
Kudos to him for parlaying his skills...or lack thereof...into a well paying job. At least he doesn't troll fans for a living like some other "analysts."
This is what I am trying to say. I knew that as soon as I mentioned his negative analysis of LSU that I would get some on here saying that I was just mad because he didn't praise LSU. I get why he didn't. I don't praise them either. But, when I heard his "analysis" I just could not believe how surface level it was and how it was based on nothing other than "Anthony Jennings sucked last year and Brandon Kelly looked terrible against Auburn."
Yes, he said Brandon "Kelly." But, whatever. Mistakes happen.
EVERYTIME I see him on TV or hear him on the radio it is the same thing. He summarizes the trend of the past 5 years and applies it to the next season in an unthinking way. I picked up on it with his LSU analysis because I knew that there will be a whole lot more to the LSU season this year than how the Tigers looked against Arkansas - a team he didn't even mention.
Here is the deal. There is SO MUCH information out there on these teams and SO MUCH money involved, when a guy is getting paid good money to do this for a living, he needs to bring something to the table that goes beyond what a casual fan might think from halfway paying attention. The SEC deserves that when it comes to college football. It is Spring practice. Take your vacation for a couple of weeks in February and in June when nothing is going on and then get to work and give us something worth listening to.
We have 14 teams. It really isn't that hard.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:16 am to AlaTiger
You only think it's shallow because he didn't say nice things about your school. I stand by that
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:17 am to AlaTiger
laughing all the way to the bank ...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:21 am to AlaTiger
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Why is this guy considered THE expert on the SEC apart from his writing for the AJC for years? What makes him more knowledgeable than anyone else?
Good question. He's a Georgia homer and Saban lover. He is knowledgeable on Georgia and Alabama, but his knowledge and interest of the other 12 is mediocre at best.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:29 am to tiderider
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laughing all the way to the bank ...
Yep. No doubt. I have to hand it to him. He has made a living out of knowing what everyone else knows and then restating it authoritatively in a condescending way.
That does take some skill, I guess.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:31 am to AlaTiger
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He has made a living out of knowing what everyone else knows and then restating it authoritatively in a condescending way
Actually, while I agree with your premise I think he appears to be a pretty decent guy.If he's faking,he sure does a better job than Finebaum.
With that said, I'd give him a solid beatdown in SEC Football and Basketball history.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:35 am to tiderider
Very few of the media have some special knowledge. Most serious fans that have some sense( obviously that qualifier knocks out about 75% of fans out, but they do have Paul), know more about their team than the pundits. Guys like P Steele and B King tend to know more than most and generally can pick more winners than the others but not by much. Those two guys literally live the sport. Others are so biased toward a team or several that they can get on your nerves. Anyway, I tend to disagree with many of them on the regular and sometimes I'm correct and other times I'm wrong. I don't begrudge them though for getting paid doing something they love.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:36 am to lefty08
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You only think it's shallow because he didn't say nice things about your school. I stand by that
Think what you want. I do not care.
I tried to explain to you WHY I thought what I did but you are entrenched in your own opinions based on your own prejudices.
I have thought this about Barnhart for some time and hearing him do a rundown of the entire SEC yesterday just brought it to mind again.
Like I said, he didn't even mention Arkansas or Mississippi State at all.
His interest has always been in Steve Spurrier, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, and Alabama - and thus, Saban after he went to Alabama. That is all that he is really interested in and it goes back to his AJC days. Well, that is fine. But, that isn't his job anymore. His job is to cover the whole SEC and give us something beyond what my buddy's wife might spout out at a football party.
Greg McElroy does a really good job. He is often critical of LSU, but I know he is giving thought to it and he does his homework. He dances circles around Barnhart and it isn't even close.
If McElroy were giving the rundown, he would provide actual information about WHY he thinks that things will be a certain way this year based on some kind of in depth analysis. i actually think that McElroy is researching teams on a Tuesday morning in March and is making phone calls and putting together a dossier on players/teams that will be helpful. We need more of that and less of the old, sit around the coffee shop and shoot the bull rhetoric of the past that guys like Barnhart keep serving up.
Step up your game, Tony. It is 2015.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:41 am to I-59 Tiger
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I think he appears to be a pretty decent guy
He probably is. When I said, "condescending" I am not trying to say that he is a complete jerk. I mean that he speaks with so much authority and disagrees with others so regularly, that he comes off as "THE AUTHORITY" on SEC Football every time he speaks.
I am just bursting that bubble. His knowledge isn't any greater than anyone else's, per se. We just all treat him like it is.
Now, does he know more about Georgia, Tennessee, and whatever team Spurrier is coaching than others? Yes. But, that knowledge should not translate to him being an authority on the rest of the SEC unless he gets up and puts the work in, which he clearly doesn't do. He is a pundit who acts like an expert.
He should go back to writing a twice weekly column in the AJC about Georgia football and be done with it.
Yeah. I am being harsh. He is probably a nice guy. Just don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 11:42 am
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