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re: What are the components of a rivalry?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:32 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:32 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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1) They're a bunch of pretentious redneck retards with a grossly inflated opinion of themselves. Contrary to the popular belief in Oxford, you don't get class from tying a blue sweater around a red neck. Even more ridiculous is their belief that they have the best tailgating. Please! They hang around in the Groove and eat cold fried chicken off fine china. The clue train must not stop in Oxford, so I'll have to break the news to them: Hanging a chandelier from a tree and finding a fantabulous centerpiece for your table is not tailgating. Tailgating is about great food. That's why LSU is better than Ole Miss at tailgating (and everything else). Maybe you should save your interior decorating skills for something that needs it, like Vaught-Hemingway.
2) What is Ole Miss best known for? A race riot. Why? Because that's the only time they showed any fight in the last 45 years.
3) They still honestly think they set the standard for class. So how do they explain their treatment of David Cutcliffe? Ten years ago, Tommy Tuberville skedaddled out of town to coach a division rival. Tubby had been their only coach "SINCE INTEGRATION" to field a respectable team without cheating. The weebles replaced Ears with Cutcliffe, the Manning family's favorite offensive guru, which had nothing to do with the fact that Eli was trying to decide where to play his college ball. They probably would have fired Cut as soon as Eli graduated, but Eli's final season was too good. So they fired him after the rebuilding year. Nice people, huh?
4) Much to their surprise, nobody wanted to coach a perennial loser who shafted their previous coach. So they settled on a missing link named Ed Orgeron, the defensive line coach at Southern Cal. But the SEC is a little harder than the Pac-1. O will be remembered for two things. One was ripping off his shirt at his first meeting with the team. The other is the song "Colonel Reb Is Crying", with the "Yawyawyawyawyawyaw" chorus. Orgeron never produced a winning season. Of course, how's that different from any other hOMo coach?
5) A few weeks after Katrina, Bay Bay had one of his assistants call a Tulane assistant and ask how he and his family were doing. Then O took the phone and said "The real reason I'm calling is I heard you might be dropping football and I wanted to get a head start on some of your players." I don't know which is worse--being a sleazy vulture or being desperate enough to poach players from a program that hasn't had a winning Conference USA record since 1998. Ole Priss should never be allowed to live that down.
6) Ole Wuss thinks LSU is one of its biggest rivals. But a rival is defined in the dictionary as "(t)he act of competing or emulating; (t)he state or condition of being a rival." Sorry Rebs, but a bug and a windshield are not rivals. There's only one time in the history of the series when you were even close: 1987-99. Very dark days for LSU. But during that period, the Weebles still won only 6 of the 13 games. Put another way, they had a sub-.500 record against the Archmannardo brain trust. Speaking of Archmannardo, Vandy had a 2-2 record against the Rebels when Dumbardo was coaching in Nashville. Vandy--now that would be a rival. So would State, Wyoming, and Memphis.
7) 5 of the 6 West teams have appeared in the SEC Championship game. Guess which one hasn't made the trip? Nope, not Mississippi State--even Jackie the Clown went to Atlanta. That's right, the weebles. This in spite of having Vanderbilt as a permanent East opponent. The only time they came close was 2003, when Eli fell on his arse and their hopes died. They settled for their first division co-championship and hung a banner for it. They HUNG A BANNER for something Gerry Dinardo accomplished twice.
8) Their most famous alum is Trent Lott, former Rebel cheerleader and Senate Majority Leader. That dude was so dumb he got rolled by Tom Daschle, the biggest moron ever to lead the Senate Democrats. Lott also quit on his constituents less than a year into his new term so he could cash in as a lobbyist. Hotty Toddy!
9) Speaking of the Hotty Toddy cheer, who the hell thinks this "Toddy" guy's a "hotty"? Does that have something to do with Ole Piss fraternity hazing?? And the "gosh amighty" and "who the hell are we" parts sound like an 8-year-old trying out his first cuss words.
10) Ole Wish fans think it's the 1850s. While the administration has disavowed Dixie, the rebel flag, and Colonel Reb, the fans are still pitching a hissy fit over the loss of their Old South "traditions". I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Southerners taking pride in their heritage, but there are literally hundreds of Southern schools that don't feel the need to base their entire identity on the antebellum period. But I guess you can't blame them. If I lived in an armpit of a town like Oxford, and I went to a school whose athletic legacy was a century of futility, I'd pretend it was the ancient past too. The rest of us--who actually did something worth noting since the War Between the States--have moved on.
11) Hypersensitive fans. Before an LSU-Ole Miss game a few years ago, a bunch of Ole Miss fans started their inane chant, and I did my parody (Hotty Toddy Gosh Amighty, where did Ole Miss play? Flim flam bim bam BLUE GRAY by damn!) The Weeble fan sitting next to me immediately gave me a ticket for a seat five sections away, which I accepted since it was a better seat. Then, in the fourth quarter, I yelled "Eli Sucks" instead of "Kick their @$$" after a Tiger first down, and the Reb behind me kicked me in the back. Seriously, you go to the other team's stadium and you're shocked that the home crowd is heckling your team? Especially when you threw shoes at your own team after a loss? Wait, I guess Ole Wish fans don't know any other use for shoes.
12) Complete lack of imagination. "Go to Hell State"? "Go to Hell LSU"? How original. I guess they're rubber and we're glue.
13) Ole Mrs. suckdom isn't limited to football. The last time their baseball team won a game in Omaha, their star player was a third baseman named Archie Manning. Their men's basketball team has never won the conference. Not once in over 70 years. The funniest is women's basketball. Back when WBB was Tennessee and Latech and nothing else, they managed the most success in any sport since James Meredith by making the Elite Eight. Who led Ole Myth to this promised land? Van Chancellor, he of the four WNBA titles and two gold medals. He also managed to make a Final Four--in his first season as LSU's coach. But even he couldn't overcome the epic suck that is Oxfart.
14) As bad as they are in sports, they're even worse in the classroom. A 16 on the ACT gets you into Ole Miss. That's not a typo. SIXTEEN!! You need a 17 for NCAA eligibility. OK, you need a little more than a 16 to get into Ole Priss. You also need a 2.5 GPA.
15) The Walk of Champions? Must go to the visitors' locker room. Which of these does not belong: Alaska-Fairbanks, Baylor, Boise State, Bowling Green, CCNY, Eastern Kentucky, Furman, Holy Cross, James Madison, Michigan Tech, Minnesota-Duluth, Montana State, Northern Iowa, Ole Miss, Rice, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville, Temple, Tulane, Wayne State, or William & Mary? The answer: Ole Miss, because this is a list of teams that have won a Division I national championship in something.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:34 pm to chilge1
Damn son. Is that his thesis?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:39 pm to TMRebel
It was on the second page of the linked thread from 2011... I got a good laugh
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:33 pm to luvdatigahs
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Mutual disdain between fanbases
This is my #1 prerequisite for a rivalry. Both teams fanbases must have an equal amount of passion and hatred towards one another. That's why I don't believe LSU-Ole Miss is really a rivalry. Everything else is secondary.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 9:52 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
You must be 18 or younger and/or started following LSU closely in 2005 or later
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:03 pm to chilge1
I thought LSU's rival was Arkansas?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:09 pm to PrettyLights
a school can have two rivals, even though ole miss is definitely the main one. ive always seen the rivalries in the SEC working out as:
Alabama: auburn and Tennessee
Arkansas: LSU
Auburn: Alabama and Georgia
Florida: florida state and Georgia
Georgia: florida, auburn, and Georgia tech
Kentucky: lousiville
LSU: ole miss and Arkansas
Mississippi State: ole miss
Ole Miss: Mississippi state and LSU
Missouri: Kansas
South Carolina: Clemson
Tennessee: Alabama
Texas a&m and Vanderbilt: none
Alabama: auburn and Tennessee
Arkansas: LSU
Auburn: Alabama and Georgia
Florida: florida state and Georgia
Georgia: florida, auburn, and Georgia tech
Kentucky: lousiville
LSU: ole miss and Arkansas
Mississippi State: ole miss
Ole Miss: Mississippi state and LSU
Missouri: Kansas
South Carolina: Clemson
Tennessee: Alabama
Texas a&m and Vanderbilt: none
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:10 pm to chilge1
All I know is I fricking hate Auburn...
And LSU...
And Tennessee too!
And LSU...
And Tennessee too!
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:16 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
North of I20 OM rival is State. south of I20 LSU. MY OBSERVATION.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:25 pm to WestCoastAg
You don't consider Tennessee and Florida rivals?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:55 pm to WestCoastAg
South Carolina: Georgia and Clemson
Georgia: Auburn and Georgia Tech
Tennessee: Bama and Florida
Florida: Florida State and Georgia
Vanderbilt: Tennessee
Kentucky: Louisville and Tennessee
Alabama: Auburn and LSU
Auburn: Bama and Georgia
Miss State: Ole Miss and Southern Miss
Ole Miss: LSU and Miss State
Mizzou: Kansas and ?
Texas A&M: LSU and Texas
Arkansas: LSU and Texas
LSU: Ole Miss and Bama
Georgia: Auburn and Georgia Tech
Tennessee: Bama and Florida
Florida: Florida State and Georgia
Vanderbilt: Tennessee
Kentucky: Louisville and Tennessee
Alabama: Auburn and LSU
Auburn: Bama and Georgia
Miss State: Ole Miss and Southern Miss
Ole Miss: LSU and Miss State
Mizzou: Kansas and ?
Texas A&M: LSU and Texas
Arkansas: LSU and Texas
LSU: Ole Miss and Bama
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:12 am to luvdatigahs
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One team
Another team
Mutual disdain between fanbases
This.
And as much as LSU fans on the rant want to deny it, once aTm wins one in football that game will be a rivalry.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 12:28 am to chilge1
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1) They're a bunch of pretentious redneck retards with a grossly inflated opinion of themselves. Contrary to the popular belief in Oxford, you don't get class from tying a blue sweater around a red neck. Even more ridiculous is their belief that they have the best tailgating. Please! They hang around in the Groove and eat cold fried chicken off fine china. The clue train must not stop in Oxford, so I'll have to break the news to them: Hanging a chandelier from a tree and finding a fantabulous centerpiece for your table is not tailgating. Tailgating is about great food. That's why LSU is better than Ole Miss at tailgating (and everything else). Maybe you should save your interior decorating skills for something that needs it, like Vaught-Hemingway.
2) What is Ole Miss best known for? A race riot. Why? Because that's the only time they showed any fight in the last 45 years.
3) They still honestly think they set the standard for class. So how do they explain their treatment of David Cutcliffe? Ten years ago, Tommy Tuberville skedaddled out of town to coach a division rival. Tubby had been their only coach "SINCE INTEGRATION" to field a respectable team without cheating. The weebles replaced Ears with Cutcliffe, the Manning family's favorite offensive guru, which had nothing to do with the fact that Eli was trying to decide where to play his college ball. They probably would have fired Cut as soon as Eli graduated, but Eli's final season was too good. So they fired him after the rebuilding year. Nice people, huh?
4) Much to their surprise, nobody wanted to coach a perennial loser who shafted their previous coach. So they settled on a missing link named Ed Orgeron, the defensive line coach at Southern Cal. But the SEC is a little harder than the Pac-1. O will be remembered for two things. One was ripping off his shirt at his first meeting with the team. The other is the song "Colonel Reb Is Crying", with the "Yawyawyawyawyawyaw" chorus. Orgeron never produced a winning season. Of course, how's that different from any other hOMo coach?
5) A few weeks after Katrina, Bay Bay had one of his assistants call a Tulane assistant and ask how he and his family were doing. Then O took the phone and said "The real reason I'm calling is I heard you might be dropping football and I wanted to get a head start on some of your players." I don't know which is worse--being a sleazy vulture or being desperate enough to poach players from a program that hasn't had a winning Conference USA record since 1998. Ole Priss should never be allowed to live that down.
6) Ole Wuss thinks LSU is one of its biggest rivals. But a rival is defined in the dictionary as "(t)he act of competing or emulating; (t)he state or condition of being a rival." Sorry Rebs, but a bug and a windshield are not rivals. There's only one time in the history of the series when you were even close: 1987-99. Very dark days for LSU. But during that period, the Weebles still won only 6 of the 13 games. Put another way, they had a sub-.500 record against the Archmannardo brain trust. Speaking of Archmannardo, Vandy had a 2-2 record against the Rebels when Dumbardo was coaching in Nashville. Vandy--now that would be a rival. So would State, Wyoming, and Memphis.
7) 5 of the 6 West teams have appeared in the SEC Championship game. Guess which one hasn't made the trip? Nope, not Mississippi State--even Jackie the Clown went to Atlanta. That's right, the weebles. This in spite of having Vanderbilt as a permanent East opponent. The only time they came close was 2003, when Eli fell on his arse and their hopes died. They settled for their first division co-championship and hung a banner for it. They HUNG A BANNER for something Gerry Dinardo accomplished twice.
8) Their most famous alum is Trent Lott, former Rebel cheerleader and Senate Majority Leader. That dude was so dumb he got rolled by Tom Daschle, the biggest moron ever to lead the Senate Democrats. Lott also quit on his constituents less than a year into his new term so he could cash in as a lobbyist. Hotty Toddy!
9) Speaking of the Hotty Toddy cheer, who the hell thinks this "Toddy" guy's a "hotty"? Does that have something to do with Ole Piss fraternity hazing?? And the "gosh amighty" and "who the hell are we" parts sound like an 8-year-old trying out his first cuss words.
10) Ole Wish fans think it's the 1850s. While the administration has disavowed Dixie, the rebel flag, and Colonel Reb, the fans are still pitching a hissy fit over the loss of their Old South "traditions". I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Southerners taking pride in their heritage, but there are literally hundreds of Southern schools that don't feel the need to base their entire identity on the antebellum period. But I guess you can't blame them. If I lived in an armpit of a town like Oxford, and I went to a school whose athletic legacy was a century of futility, I'd pretend it was the ancient past too. The rest of us--who actually did something worth noting since the War Between the States--have moved on.
11) Hypersensitive fans. Before an LSU-Ole Miss game a few years ago, a bunch of Ole Miss fans started their inane chant, and I did my parody (Hotty Toddy Gosh Amighty, where did Ole Miss play? Flim flam bim bam BLUE GRAY by damn!) The Weeble fan sitting next to me immediately gave me a ticket for a seat five sections away, which I accepted since it was a better seat. Then, in the fourth quarter, I yelled "Eli Sucks" instead of "Kick their @$$" after a Tiger first down, and the Reb behind me kicked me in the back. Seriously, you go to the other team's stadium and you're shocked that the home crowd is heckling your team? Especially when you threw shoes at your own team after a loss? Wait, I guess Ole Wish fans don't know any other use for shoes.
12) Complete lack of imagination. "Go to Hell State"? "Go to Hell LSU"? How original. I guess they're rubber and we're glue.
13) Ole Mrs. suckdom isn't limited to football. The last time their baseball team won a game in Omaha, their star player was a third baseman named Archie Manning. Their men's basketball team has never won the conference. Not once in over 70 years. The funniest is women's basketball. Back when WBB was Tennessee and Latech and nothing else, they managed the most success in any sport since James Meredith by making the Elite Eight. Who led Ole Myth to this promised land? Van Chancellor, he of the four WNBA titles and two gold medals. He also managed to make a Final Four--in his first season as LSU's coach. But even he couldn't overcome the epic suck that is Oxfart.
14) As bad as they are in sports, they're even worse in the classroom. A 16 on the ACT gets you into Ole Miss. That's not a typo. SIXTEEN!! You need a 17 for NCAA eligibility. OK, you need a little more than a 16 to get into Ole Priss. You also need a 2.5 GPA.
15) The Walk of Champions? Must go to the visitors' locker room. Which of these does not belong: Alaska-Fairbanks, Baylor, Boise State, Bowling Green, CCNY, Eastern Kentucky, Furman, Holy Cross, James Madison, Michigan Tech, Minnesota-Duluth, Montana State, Northern Iowa, Ole Miss, Rice, Southern Illinois-Edwardsville, Temple, Tulane, Wayne State, or William & Mary? The answer: Ole Miss, because this is a list of teams that have won a Division I national championship in something.
OMG!!! Who wrote this? Epic!
Posted on 3/16/15 at 2:41 am to ImayGoLesMiles
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a rival is a team that you will never pull for against any other team...unless by ur rival winning it directly benefits your team.
Nail on the head.
One of y'all's (LSU's) alums said that a true college football fan can't stand the thought of touching the Sunday paper when his team has lost on Saturday. He was absolutely correct.
You were absolutely correct, as well. I have never rooted, and will never root, for texas university in any sport at any time UNLESS we need it to benefit us. And those occasions couldn't be rare enough. It's a sickening sensation. Like praying for a child to die so another kid can get his liver.
This post was edited on 3/16/15 at 2:43 am
Posted on 3/16/15 at 3:16 am to chilge1
Did the thing about O calling Tulane actually happen? frick him, if true.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 8:35 am to TommyM
PROXIMITY-
This is the biggest. You have to live with, work with, be married to, play golf with, etc people to breed the contempt. Bama-AU, DUKE-UNC, OSU-OU, etc are not what they are without these people living together.
HISTORY-
There has to be a long, event filled line of games where it goes way back and the hate has been drilled into you by your grandparents, great grandparents, parents, etc. You have to grow up in it. Hate for another school happens overnight but a rivalry does not.
BAD BLOOD- There has to be events that have led to both sides hating equally. Comments made. Ray Perkins ws not a good coach but what Bama fans took from him was the fact he absolutely HATED, LOATHED and DESPISED AU. He openly said so and never made bones about it. "I will NEVER take a team down there to play" talking about JHS. "Pat Dye doesn't understand the rivalry because he never played in it". are just a couple. Then when you have 2 groups of people living together and talking about it that thing heats up in a hurry.
SAME GOAL-When you add in proximity, fans that see each other every day and then you add fighting for same goal and both teams are good you got a good one. Again, Duke-UNC for the ACC, Arizona-ASU for the Pac 12, UA-AU in the same state the, same division and same conference. Now you got some special stuff there.
This is the biggest. You have to live with, work with, be married to, play golf with, etc people to breed the contempt. Bama-AU, DUKE-UNC, OSU-OU, etc are not what they are without these people living together.
HISTORY-
There has to be a long, event filled line of games where it goes way back and the hate has been drilled into you by your grandparents, great grandparents, parents, etc. You have to grow up in it. Hate for another school happens overnight but a rivalry does not.
BAD BLOOD- There has to be events that have led to both sides hating equally. Comments made. Ray Perkins ws not a good coach but what Bama fans took from him was the fact he absolutely HATED, LOATHED and DESPISED AU. He openly said so and never made bones about it. "I will NEVER take a team down there to play" talking about JHS. "Pat Dye doesn't understand the rivalry because he never played in it". are just a couple. Then when you have 2 groups of people living together and talking about it that thing heats up in a hurry.
SAME GOAL-When you add in proximity, fans that see each other every day and then you add fighting for same goal and both teams are good you got a good one. Again, Duke-UNC for the ACC, Arizona-ASU for the Pac 12, UA-AU in the same state the, same division and same conference. Now you got some special stuff there.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 8:50 am to chilge1
This shite again. We have no other in state program we will not have a true rivalry ever. A&M and Ole Miss are probably our closest. But the grinders will always Ole Miss #1 and Texas will always be A&M's #1. So in the big scheme of things who gives a shite if we have a true rivalry
Posted on 3/16/15 at 8:58 am to goatman1419
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and Texas will always be A&M's #1.
Posted on 3/16/15 at 9:16 am to goatman1419
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grinders will always Ole Miss #1
Every OM fans I know hates LSU and thinks of them as their biggest rival. None of them really hate MSU.
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