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re: WDE24's Top 5 SEC RB's to date
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:47 am to WDE24
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:47 am to WDE24
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I think LSU just hitched their wagon to the wrong back. If Ford had Ware's carries and vice versa, Ford would probably be on the list.
miles likes to run ware straight up the middle
I guess it softens up the defense later in the game for ford
that's the line of thinking I guess
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:48 am to TheDoc
I edited. I wasn't suggesting that they change what they are doing, just that I think Ford is the better RB. Ware certainly is tough and plays a significant role to say the least.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:49 am to WDE24
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just that I think Ford is the better RB.
I think so as well.
ware is a battering ram though.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:50 am to WDE24
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In short, DJ doesn't deserve to be on the list yet. He has looked pretty good in his last 5 games though.
That's kind of you. Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:51 am to Choctaw Hog
I'm not interested in being kind, just accurate.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:52 am to Choctaw Hog
Lulz at you thinking Johnson is better than Dyer. Your pure hatred for the guy is humorous.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:56 am to TTsTowel
Dyer had more 100 yard rushing games as a freshman (4) than DJ has had in 4 years at Arkansas (3).
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:58 am to WDE24
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I'm not interested in being kind, just accurate.
You may be kind but you sure aren't accurate. It's just your uninformed, ignorant opinion. You take yourself way too seriously about your running back ratings and I'm sure you are getting paid for your knowledge and expertise in direct correlation to what it’s worth, nothing.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:58 am to WDE24
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Dyer had more 100 yard rushing games as a freshman (4) than DJ has had in 4 years at Arkansas (3).
But, but, but - That was because Cam gathered all the attention in the backfield. Mike Dyer will struggle to get 1,000 yards this season! Oh, wait... He surpassed that a couple weeks ago. My bad.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:59 am to Choctaw Hog
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You may be kind but you sure aren't accurate
Let's see your list, Arky homer. Let me guess, you'll have Knile Davis, Dennis Johnson, and Ronnie Wingo in the top 5 with Mike Dyer nowhere to be seen.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:02 pm to TTsTowel
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Lulz at you thinking Johnson is better than Dyer. Your pure hatred for the guy is humorous.
Dyer couldn't play for Petrino because he can't catch the ball out of the backfield or pass block very well. There's a good reason Dyer is out of the game when Auburn needs to pass and it’s not because he needs a breather.
Think what you want but Dyer is a liability because when he is in the game the defenses know there is a very high probability of Auburn running the ball.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:02 pm to Choctaw Hog
quote:I am.
you sure aren't accurate.
quote:That is redundant. Also, my opinion is very informed.
It's just your uninformed, ignorant opinion.
quote:These are the preeminent ratings for SEC running backs and are widely regarded across the country.
You take yourself way too seriously about your running back ratings
quote:Watching homers such as yourself get so illogical and butthurt is payment enough.
I'm sure you are getting paid for your knowledge and expertise in direct correlation to what it’s worth, nothing.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:05 pm to WDE24
WDE, what would the rankings look like if we could gentically combine Michael Ford and Spencer Ware into one jugger-back. We could call him Michael Ware (or Spencer Ford if you prefer or Spenchael Word etc. etc.) Just wondering. I think combined they have pretty legit numbers. Just wondering what it would look like on your rankings.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:05 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How about rank them by who had the best avg/car against the best SEC defense like Bama or LSU. Only take the best avg/car from either since some will play both. That is how you can tell who are the best by throwing out the padding of stats against weak defenses. No RB from UGA should be allowed until they play LSU or Bama in the SECCG. Please somebody run the numbers as I am unable too at work.
Eventually you need to produce the numbers to back up the argument.
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How about rank them by who had the best avg/car against the best SEC defense like Bama or LSU. Only take the best avg/car from either since some will play both. That is how you can tell who are the best by throwing out the padding of stats against weak defenses. No RB from UGA should be allowed until they play LSU or Bama in the SECCG. Please somebody run the numbers as I am unable too at work.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:06 pm to Choctaw Hog
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Dyer couldn't play for Petrino because he can't catch the ball out of the backfield or pass block very well.
I disagree. I've seen him pass block very well. Gus doesn't leave him him to catch out of the backfield because we have OMAC and he can create a lot more explosive plays due to his blazing speed.
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There's a good reason Dyer is out of the game when Auburn needs to pass and it’s not because he needs a breather
Sometimes Dyer doesn't see time while we have the ball at all. It just depends on what Gus wants to do with the offense. I've seen him pass block. He's getting much, much better.
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Think what you want but Dyer is a liability because when he is in the game the defenses know there is a very high probability of Auburn running the ball.
Is that a compliment? Because he's still 2nd in the SEC in rushing and #15 in the nation with a rebuilt OLINE.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:08 pm to therick711
Tough to speculate on, but if you just combine their numbers (which is the most beneficial way to do it, but doesn't factor in the increased wear and tear on 1 RB) then Spencer Ford (I like this name better) would probably be just behind Trent Richardson and ahead of Dyer and Lattimore.
The reality is, Trent Richardson is essentially the same as Spencer Ford.
The reality is, Trent Richardson is essentially the same as Spencer Ford.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:09 pm to WDE24
Thank you good sir. Just wondering how their production stacked up. Agree about the wear and tear on one back (especially if Spencer Ford ran like Ware all the time).
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:11 pm to Born to be a Tiger
quote:I do look at each game log and how RB's have performed against the best defenses and discount RBs who simply pad stats against weaker teams (see Vic Ballard).
How about rank them by who had the best avg/car against the best SEC defense like Bama or LSU. Only take the best avg/car from either since some will play both. That is how you can tell who are the best by throwing out the padding of stats against weak defenses. No RB from UGA should be allowed until they play LSU or Bama in the SECCG. Please somebody run the numbers as I am unable too at work.
It is hard to do it as simply as you state because, for instance, Crowell didn't have to face Bama, LSU or UGA (the three best running defenses in the SEC IMO). Also, Ware and Ford didn't have to play LSU or UGA. Etc., etc.
ETA: However, good games against LSU, Bama, UGA and UF are weighted more heavily because those 4 teams have the best run defenses in the league. Also, good games against Ole Miss and Auburn are discounted slightly because those two teams can't stop anyone.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:13 pm to WDE24
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Also, Ware and Ford didn't have to play LSU or UGA. Etc., etc.
I move, as we noted above, we consider them one entity when we talk about them. Spencer Ford saves time. I think Blue, Magee, and Hilliard can remain their own entities. Just want to save everyone time
Posted on 11/21/11 at 12:23 pm to therick711
1 Richardson
2 Dyer
3 Ware
3 Ford
3 Blue
3 Hilliard
3 Magee
2 Dyer
3 Ware
3 Ford
3 Blue
3 Hilliard
3 Magee
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