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re: WDE24's Top 5 SEC RB's to date
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:17 am to WDE24
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:17 am to WDE24
It's interesting, but not surprising, that you don't have Dennis Johnson in your top 5 especially since he is producing 28.8% more yards per carry than your number 2 rated player. 28.8% more! That's impressive.
DJ has 606 total yards for a 6.7 average with a long of 71 and 3 TDs. DJ also has 20 catches for 258 yards (a 12.9 average) with a long of 31 and 2 TDs.
If DJ had the same number of carries as Dyer has and had the same average he would be at 1,534 yards. Also, RBs should be judged on their total contribution to their team, i.e. receiving yards as well and not just rushing yards.
DJ has 606 total yards for a 6.7 average with a long of 71 and 3 TDs. DJ also has 20 catches for 258 yards (a 12.9 average) with a long of 31 and 2 TDs.
If DJ had the same number of carries as Dyer has and had the same average he would be at 1,534 yards. Also, RBs should be judged on their total contribution to their team, i.e. receiving yards as well and not just rushing yards.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 11:49 am
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:22 am to WDE24
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I think Ware, while a damn violent and hard runner, is content to go down after 4 yards.
He looked much better at the beginning of the year, but this seems to be a valid assessment of his play over the last few weeks.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:23 am to Choctaw Hog
quote:I've repeated this over and over again, these ranking are not based on hypotheticals, but actual production. As you noticed, DJ did receive some votes. However, his over all body of work isn't enough to crack the top 5. A big game against LSU might do the trick.
If DJ had the same number of carries as Dyer has and had the same average he would be at 1,534 yards.
quote:Who said receiving yards weren't factored in. They have been all year in these rankings and I have mentioned it repeatedly. In fact, even a few games after his injury, that was what was keeping Lattimore even with or ahead of Dyer.
Also, RBs should be judged on their total contribution to their team, i.e. receiving yards as well and not just rushing yards.
quote:Anyone with a brain knows that ypc can be a good stat to use, but is not comparing apples to apples when one runner has much fewer carries. Eddie Lacy has a crazy high ypc as well, but it is largely a product of only carrying the ball a few times per game.
It's interesting, but not surprising, that you don't have Dennis Johnson in you top 5 especially since he is producing 28.8% more yards per carry than your number 2 rated player. 28.8% more! That's impressive.
In short, DJ doesn't deserve to be on the list yet. He has looked pretty good in his last 5 games though.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:45 am to TotalYatMove
Obviously LSU is the shite and so it's kinda pointless to pick on them or a part of their team. But they were on Ware's dick so hard for a while. Half of them would argue to the death that he was down right better than any other RB in the SEC. They blind?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:45 am to WDE24
Richardson is hands down the best in the conference, if not the country. Lattimore is next.
Also, I will take 5 guys, any combination of whom is good for at least 150 yards a game. Like stated earlier, LSU does things differently.
Also, I will take 5 guys, any combination of whom is good for at least 150 yards a game. Like stated earlier, LSU does things differently.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:51 am to brewhan davey
I'll take a backfield full of midgets if they get the W. LSU's RBs are really good but Trent and Lacy are as good as it gets and can get the job done against anybody, most of the time 
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:07 am to WDE24
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WDE24
Way too much logic and reason in this post. You OK?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:21 am to WDE24
Quote:_____________________________
1. Trent Richardson
2. Michael Dyer
3. Marcus Lattimore
4. Zac Stacy (tied)
4. Isaiah Crowell (tied)
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If LSU had only those five RB's on the team this year then not one would be on your list. Because Miles will not let LSU become a one horse show.
1. Trent Richardson
2. Michael Dyer
3. Marcus Lattimore
4. Zac Stacy (tied)
4. Isaiah Crowell (tied)
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If LSU had only those five RB's on the team this year then not one would be on your list. Because Miles will not let LSU become a one horse show.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:22 am to Nortizzle
quote:Every SEC team has at least one back better than Dyer. Bama and LSU have more than 1 better. Ole Miss' backup QB is a better back than Dyer.
Dyer> Richardson.....
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:24 am to Born to be a Tiger
That may be true, but it's pretty impossible to argue for a rb on athletic ability and hypothetical what he could do if he had as many carries alone. Eventually you need to produce the numbers to back up the argument.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:27 am to GoCrazyAuburn
it's very telling that none of the LSU RB's made the list
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:28 am to TheDoc
quote:What do you mean? Which one has produced in a manner that he should be on the list and who should he replace on the list?
it's very telling that none of the LSU RB's made the list
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:29 am to AlxTgr
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Every SEC team has at least one back better than Dyer. Bama and LSU have more than 1 better. Ole Miss' backup QB is a better back than Dyer.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:29 am to TTsTowel
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:30 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:33 am to TTsTowel
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:39 am to AlxTgr
I like how Choctaw Hog really thinks Dennis Johnson is better than Mike Dyer Hilarious stuff. I also remember when he said Dyer wouldn't break 1,000 yards this season.
Hilarious stuff. I also remember when he said Dyer wouldn't break 1,000 yards this season.Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:41 am to WDE24
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What do you mean? Which one has produced in a manner that he should be on the list and who should he replace on the list?
LSU could have a feature back
but at LSU, it doesn't really work like that
ware
160 650 4.1 7
ford
106 625 5.9 7
magee
27 133 4.9 1
hilliard
30 146 4.9 5
blue
70 445 6.4 6
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:46 am to TheDoc
quote:Ware has more carries than Zac Stacy and almost as many as Crowell. He is 5th in the SEC in carries per game.
LSU could have a feature back
but at LSU, it doesn't really work like that
I think LSU just hitched their wagon to the wrong back. If Ford had Ware's carries and vice versa, Ford would probably be on the list.
ETA: Having said that, LSU doesn't really need to change anything up. What they are doing is obviously working for them.
This post was edited on 11/21/11 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:47 am to WDE24
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1. Trent Richardson
2. Michael Dyer
This ^ is correct. Trent is a little more shifty / hard to bring down, and much more of a threat catching the ball out of the backfield. Dyer is on pace to hit 1400 yards this season behind a terrible 0-line.
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