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re: Was ND THAT out-talented in the NC, or is it development?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:29 pm to Moustache
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:29 pm to Moustache
Mentality. Saban brainwashes his players into believing they're the baddest mother frickers on the block, perception becomes reality. Bama goes hard every play, this takes a toll on opponents mentally, and ND just rolled over and took it without a fight.
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:34 pm to FourThreeForty
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Louisville had an SEC coach. He knows that Florida team and Will Muschamp like the back of his hand. AND I would go so far as to say he's a better coach than champ
I think you troll way too much on this board, but this statement is truth. And personally, I like Champ and think he's a good coach, but he was just out maneuvered and out planned by an equal or better coach in this game.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
ND didn't have the speed needed to compete. They had no business even playing in this game.
The game was a beatdown just like everyone who knows anything about SEC football knew it would be.
The game was a beatdown just like everyone who knows anything about SEC football knew it would be.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:56 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Would you argue this isn't an SEC defense, talent-wise? If so, why?
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Iron sharpens iron. If they are playing their weak schedule, they'll never get better. The Aggie defense for instance dominated an Oklahoma offense that had a tendency to score. A lot of that had to do with going through the SEC gauntlet.
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TeLeFaWx
The above and the fact Notre Dame's elite talent is young. The OP is a band geek who thinks he knows more than college coaches hired by ignorant athletics directors. Bama's talent was clearly superior to that of the Irish.
OP, what would you do differently than Kelly's staff to develop players? Please answer.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Iron sharpens iron. If they are playing their weak schedule, they'll never get better. The Aggie defense for instance dominated an Oklahoma offense that had a tendency to score. A lot of that had to do with going through the SEC gauntlet.
ND beat that Oklahoma team last year too.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:03 pm to BamalaAnderson
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If you ever watch a replay of the BCS championship focus in on ND #17 Zeke Motta. He was literally bouncing off of Lacy and even Amari Cooper. He could not bring them down at all, much less barely slow them down. Dan Fox got blasted the whole game. He slung Lacy' helmet off on the first drive and looks to the ref for an explanation. Doofus.
Yep. If you compare it to our game against Alabama, the difference is night and day. Our defense laid some crushing hits on the Bama RBs whereas ND guys were getting blown up all the time.
I think it's a combination of different calibre of athletes and a lot more emphasis on S&C in the SEC.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:05 pm to 08Gatorbait
I don't think it's so much the Iron sharpens Iron etc that SEC fans make it out to be. Clemson beat LSU, NW beat Miss. St etc. It happens every year.
What I think it is that separates Bama right now is their bowl game prep is on another level. Bama's best 2 performances of the year were the game against Michigan and the game against ND. Those 2 teams are talented at the least (maybe not as talented as Bama of course. Bama beat the crap out of LSU in the NCG too (not scorewise in the same fashion but LSU had no realistic chance to score in that game so Bama could have won 3-0, although LSU's D was good enough to keep them alive).
Saban does a great job on a week to week basis, but for 5 weeks he got to study an already weak ND offense. I think that's the main reason
What I think it is that separates Bama right now is their bowl game prep is on another level. Bama's best 2 performances of the year were the game against Michigan and the game against ND. Those 2 teams are talented at the least (maybe not as talented as Bama of course. Bama beat the crap out of LSU in the NCG too (not scorewise in the same fashion but LSU had no realistic chance to score in that game so Bama could have won 3-0, although LSU's D was good enough to keep them alive).
Saban does a great job on a week to week basis, but for 5 weeks he got to study an already weak ND offense. I think that's the main reason
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:08 pm to Buckeye06
Meyer is quite good as well at that buckeye. Outside of the slip up vs Michigan in 07, he had our teams ready if he got a few weeks to prepare.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:21 pm to Buckeye06
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I don't think it's so much the Iron sharpens Iron etc that SEC fans make it out to be. Clemson beat LSU, NW beat Miss. St etc. It happens every year. What I think it is that separates Bama right now is their bowl game prep is on another level. Bama's best 2 performances of the year were the game against Michigan and the game against ND. Those 2 teams are talented at the least (maybe not as talented as Bama of course. Bama beat the crap out of LSU in the NCG too (not scorewise in the same fashion but LSU had no realistic chance to score in that game so Bama could have won 3-0, although LSU's D was good enough to keep them alive). Saban does a great job on a week to week basis, but for 5 weeks he got to study an already weak ND offense. I think that's the main reason
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Buckeye06
Put last years Michigan and Notre Dame's teams in SEC and LSU, Georgia, Aggies, Florida and SC would have beaten Notre Dame. I don't know if Michigan could have beaten any SEC team.The media loves Notre Dame. Oregon would destroy Notre Dame. Name one good team Irish legitimately beat.Refs robbed Stanford.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:32 pm to Bernie Moore
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Put last years Michigan and Notre Dame's teams in SEC and LSU, Georgia, Aggies, Florida and SC would have beaten Notre Dame. I don't know if Michigan could have beaten any SEC team.The media loves Notre Dame. Oregon would destroy Notre Dame. Name one good team Irish legitimately beat.Refs robbed Stanford.
Michigan was good enough to be within 5 minutes of beating USCe in the bowl game last year. They didn't win, so of course it is meaningless, but they had the talent to compete, and that was obvious throughout the game. Michigan had 5 losses last year I believe and they were to 1-3 in the AP, USCe & Nebraska
ND had wins over multiple teams who put guys into the NFL year after year. NFL teams don't care what conference you are in; if you can play, you get drafted high.
I said in a thread before that I believe A&M, Bama and UGA were better than ND, but UF/LSU/USCe all had inconsistent units that let them down at times. I think those are more of toss ups
But I think the separation is bowl game prep as opposed to a weekly thing like is seen in conference play
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:34 pm to Buckeye06
Stanford still had their old QB in vs ND. Once Stanford made their QB change they were as good as anyone in the nation really. Loved their LB core.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:43 pm to Buckeye06
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Michigan was good enough to be within 5 minutes of beating USCe in the bowl game last year. They didn't win, so of course it is meaningless, but they had the talent to compete, and that was obvious throughout the game. Michigan had 5 losses last year I believe and they were to 1-3 in the AP, USCe & Nebraska ND had wins over multiple teams who put guys into the NFL year after year. NFL teams don't care what conference you are in; if you can play, you get drafted high. I said in a thread before that I believe A&M, Bama and UGA were better than ND, but UF/LSU/USCe all had inconsistent units that let them down at times. I think those are more of toss ups But I think the separation is bowl game prep as opposed to a weekly thing like is seen in conference play
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Buckeye06
Nebraska had no defense. LSU would have pounded the ball at Irish' overrated defense like they did to Bama's defense in 11/12.Florida would have done the same. Notre Dame and Michigan were about the same talent wise.
Urban Meyer is improving OSU by recruiting out of state kids. Watch Ohio's best hs teams lose again in August to teams from Texas and Florida.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:12 pm to schexyoung
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Back to the iron sharpening iron as mentioned earlier.
ND's schedule received a lot of hype and a sort of sensationalism built around a once proud program, but they simply did not face the weekly talent that SEC schools faced. In addition, the same could be said about the coaching staffs.
Not only did they not face SEC level inter-conference competition, they did not face any inter-conference competition.
They need to join the ACC or whatever in football and see if they can win a conference title before they ever sniff a BCS game again. CFB has passed them by long ago. SEC and other top conferences are just too competitive now... I don't care how many top 10 OOC games you schedule per year.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 2:49 pm to Moustache
We all know ND wasnt the 2nd best team in the country
Bama was very fortunate to get a chance to play em in the NCG
Wish LSU would have been afforded the same chance in 2011
Bama was very fortunate to get a chance to play em in the NCG
Wish LSU would have been afforded the same chance in 2011
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:38 pm to lsusteve1
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Bama was very fortunate to get a chance to play em in the NCG
Wish LSU would have been afforded the same chance in 2011
I've always felt the 2011 NC was lessened a bit because Bama basically "stole" (through no fault of their own) LSU's chance for a "victory lap" type romp over some overmatched out of conference contender in the BCS championship game. That's what it seems an undefeated SEC champ is supposed to get.
That said, I am still happy Bama DID win the NC in 2011.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:41 pm to Lv2spd
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I've always felt the 2011 NC was lessened a bit because Bama basically "stole" (through no fault of their own) LSU's chance for a "victory lap" type romp over some overmatched out of conference contender in the BCS championship game. That's what it seems an undefeated SEC champ is supposed to get. That said, I am still happy Bama DID win the NC in 2011.
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And I'm sure beating ND this past year is lessened NONE by the fact that they weren't really one of the top 2 teams.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:43 pm to lsusteve1
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And I'm sure beating ND this past year is lessened NONE by the fact that they weren't really one of the top 2 teams.
You would be correct, sir.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:47 pm to Moustache
Undefeated. #1 going in. Double digit dog. Not hard to figure out, they are miles from being SEC team.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 6:06 pm to Moustache
Headed out e door, but wanted to throw this in real quick.
The SEC, by and large (not just Bama) has a tendency to put a good deal of emphasis on strength and conditioning. That was a big reason why a lot of ppl said when both teams ran out on the field and ppl saw the size difference, it was over before it began. You can attribute a LOT of that to strength training.
Also, can't believe I'm saying this but I have to agree with Tele's "iron sharpens iron" comment too.
Good thread 'stache
The SEC, by and large (not just Bama) has a tendency to put a good deal of emphasis on strength and conditioning. That was a big reason why a lot of ppl said when both teams ran out on the field and ppl saw the size difference, it was over before it began. You can attribute a LOT of that to strength training.
Also, can't believe I'm saying this but I have to agree with Tele's "iron sharpens iron" comment too.
Good thread 'stache
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:33 pm to Buckeye06
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What I think it is that separates Bama right now is their bowl game prep is on another level. Bama's best 2 performances of the year were the game against Michigan and the game against ND. Those 2 teams are talented at the least (maybe not as talented as Bama of course. Bama beat the crap out of LSU in the NCG too (not scorewise in the same fashion but LSU had no realistic chance to score in that game so Bama could have won 3-0, although LSU's D was good enough to keep them alive).
This is the reason it was a blowout. Bama still would have won if it was a regular season game, but it would have been much more competitive. Saban's just a freak when he has a lot of time. The comments after the game by Bama's players about ND basically stated it wasn't as much a talent difference as they just knew what we were going to do. This was from Barrett Jones:
"They're good because they are so simple," Jones said, "but, also, they're simple. We knew if we had certain shifts, they would get into certain formations that we felt like we would have good runs against. We were right -- every play, almost. This is not a flaw in Notre Dame. We watched a lot of film. We had a lot of time to figure out what they did in certain formations."
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