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re: Was ND THAT out-talented in the NC, or is it development?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:20 am to Moustache
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:20 am to Moustache
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I'm wondering more of WHY they would lose to those teams when they have equal talent?
Back to the iron sharpening iron as mentioned earlier.
ND's schedule received a lot of hype and a sort of sensationalism built around a once proud program, but they simply did not face the weekly talent that SEC schools faced. In addition, the same could be said about the coaching staffs.
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:21 am to Moustache
I definitely don't think it was development of the players. Brian Kelly coached them up and they played over their talent level in my opinion. They had a strong front 7 on defense, some good (but not outstanding running backs) and a great tight end who was their only real receiving threat in my opinion. They beat some very good teams on their schedule (Stanford, USC, Michigan, Michigan State, Miami, and Oklahoma).
However, while they had some good talent littered at certain positions (Linebacker - Manti Te'o, Prince Shembo Defensive End - Stephon Tuitt, Nose Tackle - Louis Nix, Tight End - Tyler Eifert (their only real receiving threat in my opinion), Running back - Theo Riddick and Wood), they had a lot of weak spots in my opinion. Their secondary was slow and small. Their offensive live was "so so". They have a freshman QB in Gholston who was not prepared to face that fast, nasty defense. And, as good as their front seven was, it was not prepared for that huge Alabama OL and their tandem running backs. Keep in mind that Alabama's offense and QB excel at play action (especially when you can run the ball that well). They could stack the line and limit the run, but AJ McCarron would have destroyed their weak secondary.
ETA: Also, the way the Notre Dame offense was performing (3 and outs), it was only a matter of time before that defense got gassed out. Those 3 and 4 yard runs (if ND stacked the line), would have turned to 8+ runs.
However, while they had some good talent littered at certain positions (Linebacker - Manti Te'o, Prince Shembo Defensive End - Stephon Tuitt, Nose Tackle - Louis Nix, Tight End - Tyler Eifert (their only real receiving threat in my opinion), Running back - Theo Riddick and Wood), they had a lot of weak spots in my opinion. Their secondary was slow and small. Their offensive live was "so so". They have a freshman QB in Gholston who was not prepared to face that fast, nasty defense. And, as good as their front seven was, it was not prepared for that huge Alabama OL and their tandem running backs. Keep in mind that Alabama's offense and QB excel at play action (especially when you can run the ball that well). They could stack the line and limit the run, but AJ McCarron would have destroyed their weak secondary.
ETA: Also, the way the Notre Dame offense was performing (3 and outs), it was only a matter of time before that defense got gassed out. Those 3 and 4 yard runs (if ND stacked the line), would have turned to 8+ runs.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:29 am to Moustache
I can also tell you one thing for sure ND definitely doesn't have equal talent at the qb position. Golson is from Conway, South Carolina and I can tell you that if Carolina had actually went after him hard and he stayed he definitely would not have came to Carolina and started over DT or Shaw.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:32 am to CarolinaCock
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can also tell you one thing for sure ND definitely doesn't have equal talent at the qb position. Golson is from Conway, South Carolina and I can tell you that if Carolina had actually went after him hard and he stayed he definitely would not have came to Carolina and started over DT or Shaw.
They're different types of QBs. Not sure he would've been a good fit for Spurrier's system.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:34 am to CarolinaCock
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I can also tell you one thing for sure ND definitely doesn't have equal talent at the qb position. Golson is from Conway, South Carolina and I can tell you that if Carolina had actually went after him hard and he stayed he definitely would not have came to Carolina and started over DT or Shaw.
Gholston is young, but you are right. He didn't freeze like a deer in the headlights out there, but he was immediately jumping and fleeing the pocket. He isn't accurate on the run and like I mentioned in my previous post, they only had one legitimate receiver (Eiffert). It got to the point where I would have lined him up out wide and have thrown seams, corner routes, fades, and bombs to him every play. I think he would have caught at least half, if not more, if he had single coverage.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:38 am to Forkbeard3777
I didn't watch too much of Notre Dame this past season, but from everything I did see of them - as well as what I heard from the media - it seemed to me they ran a more traditional offense. They seemed to get away from that in the BCS title game for some reason. I believed they lined up under center only two or three times that whole game. The rest of the time they spread the field out and tried to beat us on the sideline.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:52 am to RollTide1987
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The rest of the time they spread the field out and tried to beat us on the sideline.
Nah, they run a spread system.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:01 pm to Moustache
Strength and conditioning
Schedule, climate, coaching, etc
Schedule, climate, coaching, etc
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:07 pm to Moustache
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Nah, they run a spread system.
Kelly has run a spread system most everywhere he's coached, in cluding ND. But last year was different. I watched several of ND's games on On Demand during the holidays leading up to the BCSCG. He ran a lot of formations with 2 TEs and the QB under center last year, which was a break from what he normally has done in the past. But they really didn't even try to establish a running game in the BCSCG (although they may have figured there was no use).
As far as Bama's ability to completely blow teams out of the water in BCS games (ND, Mich St, and even LSU) has a lot to do with Saban's and his staff's ability to gameplan and prepare the team during the layoff. He is probably the best coach out there in regards to being able to prepare his team with a long layoff until the game.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:09 pm to Moustache
i will always stick by this, athletes from the south are just better. they are stronger, faster, more developed per capita.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:10 pm to Bamatab
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As far as Bama's ability to completely blow teams out of the water in BCS games (ND, Mich St, and even LSU) has a lot to do with Saban's and his staff's ability to gameplan and prepare the team during the layoff. He is probably the best coach out there in regards to being able to prepare his team with a long layoff until the game.
So how do you explain Utah?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Iron sharpens iron. If they are playing their weak schedule, they'll never get better. The Aggie defense for instance dominated an Oklahoma offense that had a tendency to score. A lot of that had to do with going through the SEC gauntlet.
well then Bama shouldn't have been that sharp b/c their schedule really wasn't that tough last year.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:17 pm to redfieldk717
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i will always stick by this, athletes from the south are just better. they are stronger, faster, more developed per capita.
Funny thing is, 6 or 7 of ND's defensive starters were from the south.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:18 pm to Moustache
What was the sec's record in bowl games?
2 losses? And I think Florida didn't even try in their game.
2 losses? And I think Florida didn't even try in their game.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:22 pm to cjared036
6-3
LSU, Miss State, and Florida all lost
and its total BS to act like Florida didn't try or didn't care.
does everyone really forget how hard the Florida D was trying to attack Bridgewater at the start of that game?
LSU, Miss State, and Florida all lost
and its total BS to act like Florida didn't try or didn't care.
does everyone really forget how hard the Florida D was trying to attack Bridgewater at the start of that game?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:23 pm to cjared036
Nah, LSU, TaM, & prolly Florida beat ND too. 
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:24 pm to Moustache
TOO MUCH BAMA!!!
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:24 pm to DaleDenton
I believe it was a combination of Utah's mental edge, speed superiority, and terrible morale by our Bama team. Not to mention JPW was the fricking QB. Wasn't Andre smith suspended for that game too?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:25 pm to Dr RC
Louisville had an SEC coach. He knows that Florida team and Will Muschamp like the back of his hand. AND I would go so far as to say he's a better coach than champ
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:29 pm to FourThreeForty
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Louisville had an SEC coach. He knows that Florida team and Will Muschamp like the back of his hand. AND I would go so far as to say he's a better coach than champ
If SEC SEC SEC is so superior (especially to a Big East school) it really should not have mattered who was coaching Louisville.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 12:30 pm
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