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re: Wait, hold up, aggy thought they had Chavis?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:17 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:17 am to BamaGradinTn
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Absolutely wrong. In a recent interview, Mike Hamilton stated that they would not have hired Kiffin unless Monte was part of the deal.
Oh ok, well that doesn't change anything. I think we all agree that if Miles were to leave then Chavis would as well.
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:19 am to BamaGradinTn
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Mike Hamilton stated that they would not have hired Kiffin unless Monte was part of the deal.
but again, this still changes nothing. I highly doubt Lane would have taken the job without Monte too. I'd like to think the feeling was mutual.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:20 am to cas4t
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He was forced out by Kiffin for Kiffin's FATHER.
""Lane was involved in a very successful program at USC and, by all accounts, was a very bright football mind," Hamilton said. "For some of the risk involved in his youth, we felt that was counterbalanced by the fact his dad would be there as defensive coordinator. Candidly, that's what moved Lane to the next phase of the search, and ultimately we would not have made that hire if Monte had not been part of the deal."
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:21 am to BamaGradinTn
I don't know what point you're trying to prove. That since Tennessee apparently forced Chavis out that LSU is also pushing Chavis out?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:22 am to BamaGradinTn
What exactly are you trying to prove here?
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:22 am to BamaGradinTn
So making Monte part of the deal isn't forcing Chavis out? In a way?
ok
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Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:23 am to cas4t
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but again, this still changes nothing. I highly doubt Lane would have taken the job without Monte too. I'd like to think the feeling was mutual.
Maybe. But it's interesting that Hamilton apparently didn't want Chavis to stay. Chavis certainly could have provided that "maturity" factor to counterbalance Kiffin's youth, one would think.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:24 am to BamaGradinTn
Chavis was forced out because he'd never play ball with Kiffin cheating in recruiting.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:24 am to BamaGradinTn
I agree with all of that, but am still wondering what any of this has to do with the discussion. 
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:24 am to cas4t
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cas4t
Wait, hold up, aggy thought they had Chavis?
I don't know what point you're trying to prove. That since Tennessee apparently forced Chavis out that LSU is also pushing Chavis out?
Not at all. You said Kiffin forced out Chavis. I said you were wrong about that. I'm not trying to "prove" anything...just saying that you were mistaken. Don't read anything more into it than that.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:27 am to BamaGradinTn
Oh ok, well thanks for the info then. That's interesting. And with CountryVols last post it makes it even more interesting.
But again, if Miles left for Michigan I'd 100% expect Chavis to look elsewhere. But I don't see that happening at this point and fully expect LSU to work out his deal in the coming days.
But again, if Miles left for Michigan I'd 100% expect Chavis to look elsewhere. But I don't see that happening at this point and fully expect LSU to work out his deal in the coming days.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:27 am to cas4t
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I agree with all of that, but am still wondering what any of this has to do with the discussion.
I'm not really interested in the entire "discussion". I just found the whole "match any offer" thing funny, and I corrected your error about Kiffin. I just think the pissing match between you and the ags over John Chavis is kinda funny.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:28 am to BamaGradinTn
I also don't necessarily think your quote tells us everything about that situation, because I could very easily see Kiffin not coming without his dad, too. The AD of UT isn't going to say that though. It'd be in bad taste.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:28 am to cas4t
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But again, if Miles left for Michigan I'd 100% expect Chavis to look elsewhere. But I don't see that happening at this point and fully expect LSU to work out his deal in the coming days.
I would agree with that.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:30 am to BamaGradinTn
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I just found the whole "match any offer" thing funny
well the message board chatter was that the offer was 2M and Chavis is getting 1.3M now. And his contract is coming to an end. I don't think it's outlandish to think he'd get a raise after having the #1 rated defense in the SEC. One would think with the offensive woes, that Miles would lobby for whatever compensation Chavis wanted, even though Chavis has never been that kind of negotiator.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:30 am to cas4t
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cas4t
Wait, hold up, aggy thought they had Chavis?
I also don't necessarily think your quote tells us everything about that situation, because I could very easily see Kiffin not coming without his dad, too. The AD of UT isn't going to say that though. It'd be in bad taste.
Perhaps. The thing I though was hilarious was the UT AD basically telling the world that he hired a guy who could not stand on his own as a candidate for the head coaching job. Without realizing it, Mike Hamilton further cemented in everyone's minds...especially Vol fans...what a lousy job he did with that hire. If a guy isn't a credible enough candidate to hire without insisting that daddy come with him, you have no business hiring him.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:31 am to cas4t
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But again, if Miles left for Michigan I'd 100% expect Chavis to look elsewhere. But I don't see that happening at this point and fully expect LSU to work out his deal in the coming days.
I agree with this... my point is mainly this:
LSU should have extended him already and never let him get to the final year of his deal. Now they are going to get in a bidding war with A&M and possibly South Carolina over someone they could have locked up. Plus in the final year of his deal, they lose the leverage of his buyout and are left only with loyalty and the opportunity to coach what should be a Top 10 defense next season.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:32 am to BamaGradinTn
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Perhaps. The thing I though was hilarious was the UT AD basically telling the world that he hired a guy who could not stand on his own as a candidate for the head coaching job. Without realizing it, Mike Hamilton further cemented in everyone's minds...especially Vol fans...what a lousy job he did with that hire. If a guy isn't a credible enough candidate to hire without insisting that daddy come with him, you have no business hiring him.
yea that's pretty ridiculous. I could also see the AD saying this as a jab to Kiffin.
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:33 am to cas4t
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well the message board chatter was that the offer was 2M and Chavis is getting 1.3M now.
A couple of year's ago people were talking about the "arms race" with head coaches. Now it's coordinators. If Alabama wins the NC, Lane Kiffin will certainly proven that he's worth a helluva lot more than, for example, Will Muschamp. But Muschamp just got $1.6M from Auburn...more than double what Kiffin makes. So how much should Alabama raise Kiffin's salary? And it continues.
This post was edited on 12/20/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/20/14 at 10:35 am to cas4t
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I could also see the AD saying this as a jab to Kiffin.
All the while, unbeknownst to him, that he's just admitting to the world that he was every bit as incompetent as Vol fans believe,
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