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re: Up to this point, SEC Coach of the Year: Gus Malzahn or Gary Pinkel?
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:09 pm to bayou2003
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:09 pm to bayou2003
quote:So GP should win it because he hasn't build Missouri into a big enough power to get better recruits after 12 years?
bayou2003
The mess Missouri was in was because of GP. He didn't come in and turn around someone else's train wreck in year 1. He turned around his own in year 13.
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:13 pm to RandySavage
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We saw what Mizzou was in the 1 quarter theyf aced a decent team that was anywhere near full strength (even though the QB was still only about 60%). Mizzou may lose this weekend, they will def lose next weekend and regardless of what happens in the IB this isn't even a discussion.
Ole Miss is going to be the more difficult game to win.
To beat aTm, all you have to do is be prepared to outscore JFF and score last. Mizzou can do that.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:18 pm to toosleaux
Pinkel, if he wins the next two. He lost to the 2nd place team in his division, Gus lost to the 5th place team in his division.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:36 pm to bayou2003
quote:James Franklin
Mizzou basically get the scraps that's left over after all the big time programs snatch up the recruits.
Matty Mauk
DGB (#1 recruit in the country)
Marcus Lucas
Jimmie Hunt
Kony Ealy
Shane Ray
Markus Golden
Lucas Vincent
Josh Augusta
Duron Singleton
Evan Boehm
Nick Demien
Clay Rhodes
etc
Were all 4 stars or higher on at least one recruiting service. To act like they are devoid of talent is just silly.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:39 pm to joeyb147
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Were all 4 stars or higher on at least one recruiting service. To act like they are devoid of talent is just silly.
And how many players are on a roster, that's not many big time recruits there for a FBS school. Now compare that to schools like TAMU, LSU, BAMA, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, SC, Tenn.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:43 pm to bayou2003
quote:Those are all starters or players that play a significant amount of minutes. What does the 3rd string center's star ranking matter?
And how many players are on a roster, that's not many big time recruits there for a FBS school.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:47 pm to joeyb147
I dont think any Mizzou fan is taking anything away from what Auburn has done .Everyone wants there coach to win lol
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:47 pm to toosleaux
They're both deserving but to me what Gus has done is more impressive. Mizzou had horrible injury problems that they don't have this year - that's not so much coaching as luck. I think a lot of non-Mizzou fans are mostly impressed with Pinkel because you're stuck in "they'll get destroyed in the SEC" mode, and he surprised you. Still a COTY-worthy year, though.
Auburn basically quit for Chizik last year and Gus has those same guys playing at a very high level. If Auburn wins the IB then I think Gus will run away with it, whether or not Auburn faces Mizzou in the SECCG. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings for Pinkel to win.
Auburn basically quit for Chizik last year and Gus has those same guys playing at a very high level. If Auburn wins the IB then I think Gus will run away with it, whether or not Auburn faces Mizzou in the SECCG. But it wouldn't hurt my feelings for Pinkel to win.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:55 pm to toosleaux
The last two weeks will determine the winner.
Mizzou makes it to the SEC championship game and Auburn doesn't... Pinkel Wins
If Mizzou and Auburn both make it to the SEC title game then I'd say it goes to the winner, but you could still make an argument for Malzahn even if they lose in the title game due to the teams they beat along the way.
If neither make it Malzahn still wins it, but what a job both have done in one year. The teams were equally as bad last year for completely different reasons and what they've done is equally impressive. That Auburn has done it against a tougher schedule will be what seperates the two I think.
Mizzou makes it to the SEC championship game and Auburn doesn't... Pinkel Wins
If Mizzou and Auburn both make it to the SEC title game then I'd say it goes to the winner, but you could still make an argument for Malzahn even if they lose in the title game due to the teams they beat along the way.
If neither make it Malzahn still wins it, but what a job both have done in one year. The teams were equally as bad last year for completely different reasons and what they've done is equally impressive. That Auburn has done it against a tougher schedule will be what seperates the two I think.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:53 pm to Czar Castick
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but what a job both have done in one year.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:54 pm to finestfirst79
Gus and its really over.
Just give the man his hardware
Just give the man his hardware
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:56 pm to toosleaux
Missouri was 5-7.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:17 pm to toosleaux
Malzahn. But, giving him credit for a 10-1 record is slightly overstating it. For all intents and purposes, Auburn lost the Georgia game, and he shouldn't get credit for a miracle play that saved the game at the end.
Still, a well-earned 9-2 record is more impressive than Missouri's season, in my opinion.
Still, a well-earned 9-2 record is more impressive than Missouri's season, in my opinion.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:24 pm to Chronic
The only real difference Pinkel this year to last year is he fired Yost. Wait, that's a pretty big difference.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:25 pm to Chronic
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For all intents and purposes, Auburn lost the Georgia game
How in the world do you figure that? Auburn was running away with that game and understandably let off the gas. Then they won.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:28 pm to Chronic
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For all intents and purposes, Auburn lost the Georgia game, and he shouldn't get credit for a miracle play that saved the game at the end.
Still, a well-earned 9-2 record is more impressive than Missouri's season, in my opinion.
Wow, so now a win is a loss.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:29 pm to MIZ_COU
JESUS! Like Im not even fond of either of those teams but its clear its Pinkel. Although Auburn was 3-9 you act like the cupboard was bare. Check the recruiting rankings between Auburn and Mizzou. Auburn has to be atleast top 5 and definently top 10. The real frick up was Chizz trying to run more of a pro-style offense with spread personnel.
I think it all depends on if Mizzou can win the east. But if they lose, or somehow Malzahn beats Saban, then Gus will win.
I think it all depends on if Mizzou can win the east. But if they lose, or somehow Malzahn beats Saban, then Gus will win.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:30 pm to Fuegoqueso
Look at Auburn attrition you ignorant bitch
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:30 pm to finestfirst79
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Auburn was running away with that game and understandably let off the gas.
How in the world do you figure that? If Auburn "let off the gas," then that's an even more damning indictment of Malzahn, because it could have - should have - cost them the game.
So if a team makes a fourth quarter comeback it's illegitimized by the fact that the other team won the first three quarters?
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:33 pm to Smoke7024
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Wow, so now a win is a loss.
No. A win is a win as far as overall records and BCS standings are concerned. But a win is not a "win" in this situation when we're talking about what kind of credit a coach deserves.
Can you honestly give Malzahn credit for the Georgia win? If, like this Texas A&M poster above, you believe Auburn stopped playing in the fourth quarter, then that actually reflects even more poorly on Malzahn than the simple fact that Georgia put itself in position to win barring a miracle that ended up happening.
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