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re: Two SEC schools with high powered fast paced Offensive minded
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:30 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:30 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Bama ran 872 plays this season
Auburn 873
Bama's D wasn't as good as it has been either. This helps support the point that faster paced offenses hamper their defenses. Not saying that's why AU's D was so bad, but I'm a big believer in this and I'm also a big believer that defense still wins championships. It's the main reason that I don't want to see LSU go to a HUNH like some of our fans.
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Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:31 pm to dagrippa
Clearly too heavy on offense
2015: 13/22 on defense
2014: 11/21 on defense
2013: 18/31 on defense
2012: 9/18 on defense
That's 31/92 on offense or 34%. Remaining 5 targets include 3 defensive players.
2015: 13/22 on defense
2014: 11/21 on defense
2013: 18/31 on defense
2012: 9/18 on defense
That's 31/92 on offense or 34%. Remaining 5 targets include 3 defensive players.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:31 pm to Smoke7024
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Yes, that's what the Auburn fans are trying to say, but people keep throwing out general statements regarding the HUNH, when in reality we haven't been that fast at all.
For reference, Auburn's TOP for this year has been 30:08, Alabama 30:59, Ole Miss 28:04.
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I should have included Auburn with Mizzou in my previous post, because their TOP is even better. I almost did, but wasn't sure of the stats. I do think Auburn is similar, unlike A&M, who is one of the worst teams in TOP.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:31 pm to Smoke7024
Double post 
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:33 pm to Smoke7024
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Ole Miss 28:04.
This is why OM struggled in the middle of the SEC schedule. They didn't have much depth and the D got banged up because they spent a lot of time on the field.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:33 pm to redeye
There is a difference between hurrying up to the line to prevent subs and stare at cards held up by the sidelines and hurrying up to the line and snapping the ball as fast as possible every play.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:34 pm to mrbroker
Fast pace offense put a lot of strain on your own defense. This is no secret.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:35 pm to redeye
Are you reading any of these stats? Because your comments make it seem like you're just speaking in ignorant generalities that you can't substantiate. That would be a silly way to make an argument.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:35 pm to RB10
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Well then your D just sucks.
No shite
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:36 pm to crimsonian
Auburn only really runs the HUNH like two or three drives in an entire football game, really.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:39 pm to crimsonian
also, since you hate numbers, heres more
Auburn TOP vs:
Arkansas: 32:43 (opponent scored 21)
SJSU: 25:11 (opponent scored 13)
KSU: 31:00 (opponent scored 14)
LaT: 28:11 (opponent scored 17)
LSU: 32:23 (opponent scored 7
MSU: 28:47 (opponent scored 38, both teams had 4 TOs, L)
USC: 35:09 (opponent scored 35)
Ole Miss 32:11 (opponent scored 31)
A&M 32:40 (opponent scored 41, L)
UGA 27:38 (opponent scored 34, Auburn scored *7*, L)
Samford 29:57 (opponent scored 7)
Alabama 33:54 (opponent scored 55, L)
Average TOP: 30:48
derp defense on the field WHOLE GAME, LONGER THAN OTHER TEAMS herp
Auburn TOP vs:
Arkansas: 32:43 (opponent scored 21)
SJSU: 25:11 (opponent scored 13)
KSU: 31:00 (opponent scored 14)
LaT: 28:11 (opponent scored 17)
LSU: 32:23 (opponent scored 7
MSU: 28:47 (opponent scored 38, both teams had 4 TOs, L)
USC: 35:09 (opponent scored 35)
Ole Miss 32:11 (opponent scored 31)
A&M 32:40 (opponent scored 41, L)
UGA 27:38 (opponent scored 34, Auburn scored *7*, L)
Samford 29:57 (opponent scored 7)
Alabama 33:54 (opponent scored 55, L)
Average TOP: 30:48
derp defense on the field WHOLE GAME, LONGER THAN OTHER TEAMS herp
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:45 pm to Ross
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Auburn only really runs the HUNH like two or three drives in an entire football game, really.
They only snap the ball quick, they are consistently hurrying to the line to prevent subbing.
That is the whole strategy behind it, or you can read the books written on it.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:51 pm to weagle99
Hurry up offense leaves your defense on the field more. It only seems logical that the defenses would eventually tire and the numbers would not compare well with defenses that are on the field less.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:56 pm to mrbroker
While I think the original question is legit, I do not think running an offense like AU runs makes much difference to the D. AU only seems to try to go fast about half the time and that is only when they are churning out first downs and getting good gains on 1st down.
I think the bigger deal is a defense that thinks it can give up some points due to the offense being an effective high scoring one, no matter what style it is.
Look at AU-Bama yesterday, AU dominated time of possession. LSU runs a pro set run first O and AU dominated time of possession in that one as well.
Really think it has a lot more to do with the effectiveness of the offense than the style. An O that goes 3 and out a lot is what is gonna frick a D. Or a D that has the mindset that it doesn't have to be great due to the offense being great (and this is on the DC, not the style of offense).
I think the bigger deal is a defense that thinks it can give up some points due to the offense being an effective high scoring one, no matter what style it is.
Look at AU-Bama yesterday, AU dominated time of possession. LSU runs a pro set run first O and AU dominated time of possession in that one as well.
Really think it has a lot more to do with the effectiveness of the offense than the style. An O that goes 3 and out a lot is what is gonna frick a D. Or a D that has the mindset that it doesn't have to be great due to the offense being great (and this is on the DC, not the style of offense).
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:58 pm to GregAl
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Hurry up offense leaves your defense on the field more.
Only if they are trying to snap the ball quick or consistently score quick, other wise the same amount of time is ran from the clock form a team prairie dogging towards the sideline or one waiting in the huddle for a play call.
It isn't all the same just because they rush to the line.
In basketball you see teams who will rush the ball across half court called "up tempo", up tempo teams often get a shot off before half the shot clock has elapsed, other teams will rush the ball across mid court to have more time to run their offense or sets, but are constantly called "up tempo", but one truly is not.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:58 pm to mrbroker
I think it's a combination of poor recruiting, and defense on the field too often. Eventually they wear down. It does work if you have the right offensive weapons with a serviceable defense.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:59 pm to GregAl
You're right. We are arguing that Auburn does not "hurry up" that often in the sense being presented. Auburn hurries to the line- not to the snap the majority of the time. The TOP numbers support our argument
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:00 pm to weagle99
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#1 ranking - check
About to play for SEC Championship - check
Auburn on the brain - check
Yeah because less than 24 hours after the game we're supposed to forget about it. When Auburn had reenactments over the summer of the kick 6 and has cutouts where fans can stick their faces through to look like the players on the field for the kick. But yeah it's not like Auburn every thinks about Bama.
I mean Beaver has only started 8 million threads about Bama. In the off season, hell even during the season, I get my Bama news from Auburn fans here.
But you go ahead and pretend it's weird for Bama to think about the Auburn game right now.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:00 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I think the bigger deal is a defense that thinks it can give up some points due to the offense being an effective high scoring one, no matter what style it is.
You can also question how much time is spent by the HC towards improving the defense in practice.
Petrino doesn't allow his DBs to contest passes or disrupt routes during practice, so its no wonder why he has a shitty secondary once his players and team is in place.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:01 pm to GregAl
You should read the thread. Thanks
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