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re: Trey Wingo - "Two running backs are dominating this draft"
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:13 pm to TheJimBrown7
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:13 pm to TheJimBrown7
quote:Not as quick as McCaffrey, apparently not as durable, and not nearly as good as a receiver. McCaffrey has arguably better vision and special teams skills.
Fournette has all the tools.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:23 pm to JuiceTerry
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Not as quick as McCaffrey,
That's pretty irrational logic.
Since when does not being as quick as someone mean you aren't quick?
Is McCafrey the poster boy for agility? Pretty sure Barry Sanders wasn't as quick as Dion Sanders but no one would say Barry wasn't quick because of that.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:30 pm to JuiceTerry
Adrian Peterson is the definition of having all the protypical tools at running back. He has size, speed, agility, burst, vision, doesn't fumble, great at pass blocking, runs w/ power , and has hands.
Are there great tailbacks who don't posses all of these? Yes.
Reggie Bush is a better route runner but no one will argue who the better back is.
Fournette has all the tools to be successful.
He ran a 4.50 to Mccafrey's 4.48 with 40 more pounds. His tape shows he has elite power running. His tape shows he doesn't fumble and can pass block. McCafrey's tape shows he has trouble pass blocking. Mccafrey's tape shows he is not going to run through an elite LB.
There is no argument who has more overall tools at the RB position. McCafrey adds value on special teams but that has nothing to do with his overall ability at the running back position.
Are there great tailbacks who don't posses all of these? Yes.
Reggie Bush is a better route runner but no one will argue who the better back is.
Fournette has all the tools to be successful.
He ran a 4.50 to Mccafrey's 4.48 with 40 more pounds. His tape shows he has elite power running. His tape shows he doesn't fumble and can pass block. McCafrey's tape shows he has trouble pass blocking. Mccafrey's tape shows he is not going to run through an elite LB.
There is no argument who has more overall tools at the RB position. McCafrey adds value on special teams but that has nothing to do with his overall ability at the running back position.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:40 pm to TheJimBrown7
Will be interesting to see who has the better career
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:51 pm to TheJimBrown7
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Adrian Peterson is the definition of having all the protypical tools at running back. He has size, speed, agility, burst, vision, doesn't fumble, great at pass blocking, runs w/ power , and has hands. Are there great tailbacks who don't posses all of these? Yes. Reggie Bush is a better route runner but no one will argue who the better back is. Fournette has all the tools to be successful. He ran a 4.50 to Mccafrey's 4.48 with 40 more pounds. His tape shows he has elite power running. His tape shows he doesn't fumble and can pass block. McCafrey's tape shows he has trouble pass blocking. Mccafrey's tape shows he is not going to run through an elite LB. There is no argument who has more overall tools at the RB position. McCafrey adds value on special teams but that has nothing to do with his overall ability at the running back position.
You're dead on to what I think about the two. LF is basically your old school RB while McCaffrey may end up being a Swiss Army knife weapon that achieves a similar degree of success.
LF will be more beneficial to the Panthers because he fits their downhill running style. I don't think Shula is imaginative enough to be able exploit McCaffery's high ceiling of versatility as well.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:59 pm to jangalang
I desperately hope the Panthers do not get Fournette. Him, Cam, and Stewart could possibly form an unstoppable rushing attack
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:02 pm to crimson crazy
So...it was pretty clear from actual football that Cook and Fournette were a cut above McCaffrey and Mixon.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:05 pm to crimson crazy
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Well, he's now drawing comparisons to Shady McCoy, so...
Um....that's delusional, McCoy isn't just bigger he's a completely different style of runner than the undersized but primarily north-south Mccaffrey.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:06 pm to elposter
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Probably people feeling like he should be further punished for this:
Would pay money to see that slipped into his draft highlight package just to see Mel and company react when the camera cut back to them.
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:08 pm to Rohan Gravy
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He is not a LeSean McCoy....he is a Reggie Bush...
This is harsh to Reggie Bush- they might be similarily versatile but Bush had a good 7-8 years as a guy with gameplan changing speed that DCs had to account for, Christian is fast but he's not Bush fast.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:44 am to montanagator
Ok...meant no disrespect to Reggie Bush....was meant to be a compliment to both...
McCaffery would be outstanding in the Saints offense as was Bush....different backs than McCoy
McCaffery would be outstanding in the Saints offense as was Bush....different backs than McCoy
Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:53 am to TheJimBrown7
Did you just compare LF to Adrian peterson?? LOL. AP was a generational back in college and the pros and is probably the most violent runner in the sports history. LF was DECENT in college against middle of the road SEC teams.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:08 pm to jangalang
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The difference between LF and Mccaffrey in the passing game is that LF may be a great RB at catching passes, but Mccaffrey can easily become a slot receiver.
Great,....but slot receivers are a dime a dozen. Belichick can go to drag somebody out of line at the Norfolk County unemployment office and turn him into an NFL starter catching 100 passes a year.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 12:18 pm to Boomer00
agree. AP is the rare combination of a once in a generation talent paired with being elite in almost every intangible quality as well. To lead the league in rushing points to talent, to do it after that injury points to physical/mental toughness, effort, etc.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:37 pm to Boomer00
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Boomer00
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Did you just compare LF to Adrian peterson?? LOL. AP was a generational back in college and the pros and is probably the most violent runner in the sports history. LF was DECENT in college against middle of the road SEC teams.
AP is a future HOF in the NFL, but Fournette was as good if not better in college. Comparison below:
LF
GMS__ATT__YDS__AVG__TDs
13____187__1034__5.53___10
12____300__1953__6.51___22
7_____129___843__6.53___8
32____616__3830__6.22___40
AP
GMS__ATT__YDS__AVG__TDs
13____339__1925__5.68___15
11____221__1104__5.00___14
7_____188__1012__5.38___12
31____748__4041__5.40___41
AP has 200 more career yards in one less game than LF. But he needed 132 more carries to do that. LF's YPC is WAY better. Looking at this, they actually had very similar college careers.
Also, you should google some LF "truck job" videos on youtube before you insinuate he isn't a "violent" runner.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:45 pm to LSU82BILL
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Great,....but slot receivers are a dime a dozen. Belichick can go to drag somebody out of line at the Norfolk County unemployment office and turn him into an NFL starter catching 100 passes a year.
Lovely. Can he take a RB one play and turn him into an effective slot receiver the next play? I don't think so.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:50 pm to jangalang
Hey man, you can't argue against him. One of the greatest NFL coaches of all time, if not the greatest, and one of the best QBs of all time can make an average to above average player look better than they are.
You don't get hard hitting coverage like this everyday.
You don't get hard hitting coverage like this everyday.
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:58 pm to GameCocky88
Belichick isn't even relevant to the discussion. Not sure why the poster mentioned him.
My point is that slot receivers are a dime a dozen, sure. None can also play RB like McCaffery though. Mccaffrey can move from one position to another during one drive, which can help the offense exploit the defense's weak matchups.
My point is that slot receivers are a dime a dozen, sure. None can also play RB like McCaffery though. Mccaffrey can move from one position to another during one drive, which can help the offense exploit the defense's weak matchups.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:07 pm to jangalang
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Lovely. Can he take a RB one play and turn him into an effective slot receiver the next play? I don't think so.
You mean like does with the RB who scored the winning TD in the Super Bowl? James White had 39 carries last year and was targeted 86 times as a receiver - more than any listed WR except Edelman. White had 22 carries and 54 targets the year before. Belichick has been doing this forever with Danny Woodhead, Shanne Vereen and Kevin Faulk?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 2:33 pm to PurpleandGeauld
AP played on an offense with a hiesman QB, that put up a lot of points. LF played on an offense that had 3 plays in the entire playbook and a QB who couldn't throw accurately past 20 yards.
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