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Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
16 seems low
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:55 pm to Cheese Grits
this has nothing to do with my point.
this is a law of supply and demand conversation.
my point was that students don't see the benefits of endowments and research money, etc at universities. that has nothing to do with the quality of the teaching in the classroom. You are comparing schools exclusively based on non-education related aspects. That is counter intuitive.
this is a law of supply and demand conversation.
my point was that students don't see the benefits of endowments and research money, etc at universities. that has nothing to do with the quality of the teaching in the classroom. You are comparing schools exclusively based on non-education related aspects. That is counter intuitive.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:59 pm to Tillman
Money = better professors. Better professors = betting teaching for students.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:03 pm to Farmer1906
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16 seems low
It's US News. One of their main criteria is class size. If you visit their website they also have dating tips, pregnancy advice and cooking tips. I would take their rankings with a grain of salt
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:03 pm to Farmer1906
no evidence that higher salary means better professor.
i think a lot of the highest paid professors at CLemson were the ones who could bring in research money, but they were often not good teachers.
one of the things that is bogus with US News rankings is that give weight to professors with a PhD in their field but oftentimes the best professors only have a B.S. and good work experience in their field.
A lot of colleges are no doubt hiring more PhDs so they can boost their rankings even though it is an empty calorie stat. It is crazy that click bait college rankings are driving a lot of what colleges do these days. lol
i think a lot of the highest paid professors at CLemson were the ones who could bring in research money, but they were often not good teachers.
one of the things that is bogus with US News rankings is that give weight to professors with a PhD in their field but oftentimes the best professors only have a B.S. and good work experience in their field.
A lot of colleges are no doubt hiring more PhDs so they can boost their rankings even though it is an empty calorie stat. It is crazy that click bait college rankings are driving a lot of what colleges do these days. lol
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:08 pm to Tillman
So money doesn't motivate good professors... right
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:09 pm to Farmer1906
so you are saying a professor is only motivated if he is paid a certain salary that you don't define. Ok then.
my view, if a professor was not motivated at a lower salary, they aren't going to be more motivated at a higher salary, and in fact, given they never paid a price for their lack of motivation at a lower salary, likelly to be even more unmotivated at a higher salary.
if you see a fast food worker doing a lousy job, would you argue that if you paid that person more, he will do a better job? I suspect at best there won't be a difference.
my view, if a professor was not motivated at a lower salary, they aren't going to be more motivated at a higher salary, and in fact, given they never paid a price for their lack of motivation at a lower salary, likelly to be even more unmotivated at a higher salary.
if you see a fast food worker doing a lousy job, would you argue that if you paid that person more, he will do a better job? I suspect at best there won't be a difference.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 10:20 pm to Tillman
You're comparing professors to McDonalds workers? 
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:15 am to Farmer1906
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You're comparing professors to McDonalds workers?
This is Tillman you are debating with, he has to compare what he knows. Hence the McDonalds worker position. He could not even give YES or NO answers to simple questions because he knows he is beaten.
Obvious troll allowed to troll
Posted on 4/20/17 at 6:33 am to Cheese Grits
Clemson is middle of the pack in engineering. SC, GT, and Mercer are all better options
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:25 am to Tillman
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if Clemson and G Tech swapped places but everything else about the schools stayed the same, CLemson would be ranked higher than G tech, due to the selectivity advantage of being in a large population state.
just stop
53rd on this list is actually pretty damned impressive (better than I thought you would rank)
but in no universe can you credibly can you compare the prestige of an engineering degree at Clemson with GA Tech - it's laughable
If anything, GA Tech should probably be ranked 3rd (Cal at # 3? really?)
to extend this list:
Tennessee - 63
LSU - 91
Kentucky - 91
Mizzou - 91
Very surprised to see this as well, not so much with Kentucky or Mizzou, but I would never have thought that UT and LSU were so highly regarded in this field - top 100 is super impressive
Miss State - 105
Alabama - 105
Arkansas - 105
South Carolina - 105
Tulane - 116
another pretty big surprise - happy to see Miss State here as well, as they get a bad rap on academics more often than not. This is a good sign for them. And Tulane? Why even have this as a major? Sad to see such a fine school so low on a list like this...
UGA - 135
that we are even on the radar is a good sign, as this is a new field of study in Athens
Memphis - 170
Ole Miss - 170
included Memphis to put the Ole Miss rank in perspective...
but anyway Tillman, you should be proud of your degree, you catch so much hell because you are a jackass and come in here bragging and making unrealistic and "sunshine pumping" statements about Clemson. Clemson is a really good school, everyone knows this
But you put yourself in a position to catch hell with idiotic statements (like the one I am replying to)
give it a rest (but I know you won't...)
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:27 am to Tillman
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i think a lot of the highest paid professors at CLemson were the ones who could bring in research money, but they were often not good teachers.
Holy shite fix the L key on your keyboard. Why are you always doing this?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:32 am to Cheese Grits
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Quit trolling, nobody is as dumb as you pretend to be, nobody.
um, about that...
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:34 am to Tillman
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no evidence that higher salary means better professor.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:26 am to SummerOfGeorge
USNWR is the Enquirer magazine in academic circles.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:28 am to dcbl
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um, about that...
Do you really think he is a dumb Clemson fan or an alter trolling tRant?
Posted on 4/20/17 at 10:32 am to FishFearMe
US NEWS is "The View" of the academic circles.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:01 am to texag7
Mississippi State Engineering is the best.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:06 am to dcbl
those rankings clearly back up my point.
the flagship and land grant universities in highly populated state are higher ranked. That is due to selectivity. Cal is an example of this, their selectivity is through the roof as the flagship in the largest populated state.
As I've pointed out, Georgia Tech undergrad enrollment is like 15,100. Clemson is up at 18,600.
For Clemson to have the same ratio of undergrad students to state population as Georgia Tech, its undergrad student enrollment would need to drop to 7000 or so. Georgia is the 8th largest state but Georgia Tech has smaller enrollment than Clemson does in the 23rd most populated state.
you cannot deny that Georgia Tech and other universities benefit from being located in large population states if rankings factor in selectivity.
the flagship and land grant universities in highly populated state are higher ranked. That is due to selectivity. Cal is an example of this, their selectivity is through the roof as the flagship in the largest populated state.
As I've pointed out, Georgia Tech undergrad enrollment is like 15,100. Clemson is up at 18,600.
For Clemson to have the same ratio of undergrad students to state population as Georgia Tech, its undergrad student enrollment would need to drop to 7000 or so. Georgia is the 8th largest state but Georgia Tech has smaller enrollment than Clemson does in the 23rd most populated state.
you cannot deny that Georgia Tech and other universities benefit from being located in large population states if rankings factor in selectivity.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:11 am
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