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re: Top Undergraduate Engineering Programs
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:09 am to Tillman
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:09 am to Tillman
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As I've pointed out, Georgia Tech undergrad enrollment is like 15,100. Clemson is up at 18,600.
But you failed to acknowledge Georgia Tech began as the Tech school for GA while UGA was the A&S school for the state. Just to be clear, do you acknowledge GT is the far better tech school to Clemson?
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:13 am to Cheese Grits
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But you failed to acknowledge Georgia Tech began as the Tech school for GA while UGA was the A&S school for the state. Just to be clear, do you acknowledge GT is the far better tech school to Clemson?
this has nothing to do with the point that I just made.
I do not think from a teaching standpoint there is a difference between Clemson and G Tech. a professor is either qualified to teach engineering courses or he isn't.
G Tech probably gets more research funding and perhaps does research in a wider variety of areas, but i'm not talking about research and money.
Also should point that Clemson is a more comprehensive college than G TEch, offers more majors. Note the rankings like US News never consider number of major options as a criteria but I think it is a plus.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:18 am to Tillman
This will be settled by Google street-view.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
TBH if you're ranking engineering as a whole you're doing it wrong. Sure cross the board mediocre to good programs will result in a good ranking and the same is true for mediocre to bad programs that have one top program.
When looking at rankings for catchall departments what you really want to look at is the specific majors. IOW, a school ranked well can have a shitty electrical engineering program and a fantastic chemical engineering program -- if chem eng is your thing go there.
Climpson doesn't appear to be any good at any of the engineering majors so carry on.
When looking at rankings for catchall departments what you really want to look at is the specific majors. IOW, a school ranked well can have a shitty electrical engineering program and a fantastic chemical engineering program -- if chem eng is your thing go there.
Climpson doesn't appear to be any good at any of the engineering majors so carry on.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:20 am to Tillman
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I do not think from a teaching standpoint there is a difference between Clemson and G Tech. a professor is either qualified to teach engineering courses or he isn't.
Well at least you are honest about not thinking!
Look I am no fan of the Bumbles but I have worked with them and around them for around half a century. If I can grudgingly give credit to them tho it pains me you are either an idiot or trolling to think the Bumbles are equal at the teaching level to the Taters.
If I did not like my sig line currently in use I would use the statement in BOLD to point out your lunacy.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:22 am to Numberwang
you forgot to include a predictable snarky comment about the lake. don't let us down dull unorginal trash talk guy.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:24 am to Cheese Grits
you talk about academics as though it is athletics. that indicates to me you aren't an academic kind of person.
i don't believe any professor at Tech would talk about Clemson the way that you do.
i think most fair people would say Clemson and G Tech are both fine universities. There is no reason one has to be better than another. Students may prefer one to another, and each may have strengths and weaknesses relative to each other but to generalize G Tech is better than Clemson doesn't make much sense.
i don't believe any professor at Tech would talk about Clemson the way that you do.
i think most fair people would say Clemson and G Tech are both fine universities. There is no reason one has to be better than another. Students may prefer one to another, and each may have strengths and weaknesses relative to each other but to generalize G Tech is better than Clemson doesn't make much sense.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:28 am to Tillman
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this list just ranking selectivity, not the quality of the program. the liberal arts people at US News can't rank engineering programs with credibility.
if Clemson and G Tech swapped places but everything else about the schools stayed the same, CLemson would be ranked higher than G tech, due to the selectivity advantage of being in a large population state.
Rankings are sometimes biased and don't tell the complete story. But if you get a room of 1000 engineers and ask them if they would prefer an engineering degree from Ga Tech or Clemson, it's likely that every single one of them would say Ga Tech. It's really not particularly close.
In fact, probably only MIT and CalTech are held in higher regard in the engineering profession than Ga Tech. Its got a reputation as one of the best in the world, and those reputations don't come by accident. I got my undergraduate degree from Alabama in business, a fine school, but I'm not going to pretend it can even hold a candle to Penn or Michigan.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:29 am to Tillman
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i don't believe any professor at Tech would talk about Clemson the way that you do.
If you made comments like the one you just did, I can assure you they would laugh at you too. If you are actually an engineer you would know they appreciate a good joke.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:29 am to UAtide11
if they did say that, it only would be based on the US News rankings. that's the bias that is out there.
the only reason you are touting G tech over Clemson is US News. how else could you possibly have this perception? It is not like you have independent knowledge of every university.
The vast majaority of engineers do not attend G Tech yet they are still able to get jobs.
I can't see employers expecting people to pay over twice as much to attend an engineering school out of state to get the same degree.
the only reason you are touting G tech over Clemson is US News. how else could you possibly have this perception? It is not like you have independent knowledge of every university.
The vast majaority of engineers do not attend G Tech yet they are still able to get jobs.
I can't see employers expecting people to pay over twice as much to attend an engineering school out of state to get the same degree.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:31 am to UAtide11
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In fact, probably only MIT and CalTech are held in higher regard in the engineering profession than Ga Tech.
I would probably put Purdue up there. Like Tech, they have always had solid ENG school and the PU guys were pretty interchangeable with Bumbles.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:31 am to Cheese Grits
my view, you are a good ol boy who pretends to be deep in the world of academia on the internet.
i can't see a true academic guy talking about Lady Cock basketball even tho he didn't even attend SC, as I've seen you do. lol
i can't see a true academic guy talking about Lady Cock basketball even tho he didn't even attend SC, as I've seen you do. lol
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:31 am to Tillman
Days of Our Lives is better than As The World Turns and all other soap operas even better than the spanish ones... because TV Guide says so and that is all that matters.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:32 am to Cheese Grits
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Do you really think he is a dumb Clemson fan or an alter trolling tRant?
can't really tell - can make an argument either way
leaning towards "highly insecure Clemson fan/alumnus" based on his consistency...
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:35 am to dcbl
if i was insecure, i wouldn't challenge the US News rankings. Questioning the US news rankings gets a lot of negative reaction, in my experience.
Oregon State has a very good engineering university but it ranked much lower than Clemson. It also leads the state of Oregon in research money but I'm pretty sure they have Uni of Oregon ranked over it, and Oregon does not even offer engineering programs, similar to UNC.
I don't think any engineer views Oregon State as a less school than Clemson but US News tells us otherwise.
Oregon State has a very good engineering university but it ranked much lower than Clemson. It also leads the state of Oregon in research money but I'm pretty sure they have Uni of Oregon ranked over it, and Oregon does not even offer engineering programs, similar to UNC.
I don't think any engineer views Oregon State as a less school than Clemson but US News tells us otherwise.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:40 am to Tillman
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you cannot deny that Georgia Tech and other universities benefit from being located in large population states if rankings factor in selectivity.
30% of GA Tech students are not from GA
in the graduate program, less than a third are actually from GA
GA Tech gets better applicants than Clemson does, they always have
it's like Grits said (and I have said before as well) - master troll or complete dumbass
could go either way on this...
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:42 am to dcbl
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master troll or complete dumbass
Definitely the later.
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:43 am to dcbl
both Clemson and G Tech are about 60 percent in state. GA has over twice the population of SC and G Tech can draw from a larger pool of students thus they can't help but be more selective.
Morover, Clemson is about 3000 more students at undergrad level. It is a bigger school in a much smaller state.
my point is there is nothing impressive about Ga Tech's selectivity, any large flagship or land grant in a state with that population and enrollment size would be as selective. The selectivity stat doesn't tell you anything about Ga Tech as a university.
Morover, Clemson is about 3000 more students at undergrad level. It is a bigger school in a much smaller state.
my point is there is nothing impressive about Ga Tech's selectivity, any large flagship or land grant in a state with that population and enrollment size would be as selective. The selectivity stat doesn't tell you anything about Ga Tech as a university.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:43 am to Tillman
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if they did say that, it only would be based on the US News rankings.
False, I'm basing it on the reputation of the programs. And my limited experience interacting with graduates of either school.
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The vast majaority of engineers do not attend G Tech yet they are still able to get jobs.
True and a graduate from Harvard and a graduate from Alcon State who both have education degrees can each get jobs. Doesn't mean Alcon State is on the same planet, academically, as Harvard.
Face it, if you think Clemson's broader engineering program is on par with Georgia Tech's, that tells me all I need to know about your grasp on reality.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/20/17 at 11:44 am to UAtide11
the reputation stems from US News.
one of the bogus and most criticized of US News rankings is a large percertange of it is based on academic reputation assessed by college faculty at other colleges. Those faculty are likely to have no or limited knowledge of most other universities so they based their academic reputation rankings on .....the US News rankings. It is a catch 22 situation.
one of the bogus and most criticized of US News rankings is a large percertange of it is based on academic reputation assessed by college faculty at other colleges. Those faculty are likely to have no or limited knowledge of most other universities so they based their academic reputation rankings on .....the US News rankings. It is a catch 22 situation.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 11:46 am
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