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re: Top 10 SEC "National Champions" that aren't "recognized" widely by many
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:49 am to bamawriter
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:49 am to bamawriter
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You're thinking of 1960. In '59, 10-1 Ole Miss "split" the title with 11-0 Syracuse.
you are right. I stand corrected.
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:53 am to REBSontheRISE
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Ole Miss was, however, far and away the best team those 2 years. politics kept the media from awarding the title to them. and you know this.
Then you should know politics prevented Alabama from winning in 1966.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:55 am to Cheese Grits
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Rebs got robbed because of what was going on off the field, not what was being played on it.
The same crap was going on in Alabama in 1961, 1964, and 1965. It didn't seem to hurt us when we were awarded the national championship by the AP/UPI.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:56 am to REBSontheRISE
For what it's worth, I am with you on 1960. Folks can argue against the FWAA, but they are considered a consensus selector, so nothing wrong with claiming their title.
'62 is a bit dicier. Math/Computer systems are total garbage. If a team was only named champions by any number of math systems, then it's not legit. Many of the voters probably punished Ole Miss for non-football related issues, so Ole Miss very well may have been screwed. But in the end Ole Miss was only selected by a couple of spreadsheets.
'62 is a bit dicier. Math/Computer systems are total garbage. If a team was only named champions by any number of math systems, then it's not legit. Many of the voters probably punished Ole Miss for non-football related issues, so Ole Miss very well may have been screwed. But in the end Ole Miss was only selected by a couple of spreadsheets.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:59 am to RollTide1987
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The same crap was going on in Alabama in 1961, 1964, and 1965. It didn't seem to hurt us when we were awarded the national championship by the AP/UPI.
your team didn't have 40,000 rebel flags in the stadium with the band playing Dixie either.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:32 pm to REBSontheRISE
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your team didn't have 40,000 rebel flags in the stadium with the band playing Dixie either.
No, it was much worse. In 1963, the governor of the entire state stood at our door and proclaimed "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever," while having the state's national guard prevent black students from entering.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:45 pm to Tuscaloosa
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No, it was much worse. In 1963, the governor of the entire state stood at our door and proclaimed "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever," while having the state's national guard prevent black students from entering.
you are correct. ive never understood how the University of Alabama got a pass on their own sordid history, while Ole Miss carries that stigma and it still exists today, even tho major strides have been made.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:48 pm to REBSontheRISE
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:48 pm to REBSontheRISE
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ive never understood how the University of Alabama got a pass on their own sordid history, while Ole Miss carries that stigma and it still exists today,
Because this kept going long after the 60s:
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40,000 rebel flags in the stadium with the band playing Dixie
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:05 pm to RollTiger1987
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LSU completely sucked on offense if they couldn't run directly up the middle.
I guess we could run it up the middle on everyone not named Alabama then. Don't see Ok St being any different. We scored like 40 points on everyone else and won almost every game by a wide margin.
ETA: Mississippi State was the only other game we did not score 35+. And we beat everyone by 13+ outside of Alabama including BCS Bowl champions Oregon and WVU. I think our offense was competent enough for Oklahoma St.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:05 pm to REBSontheRISE
I've never understood why black folks in this state forgave UA and Wallace for that but they by and large did
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:12 pm to Cocotheape
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I've never understood why black folks in this state forgave UA and Wallace for that but they by and large did
Probably because Wallace and UA were so 'normal' at that time for the state of Alabama that if they didn't they'd wind up hating every white person they saw in Alabama that was born pre-Civil Rights. That's a lot of hate to carry around.
It's still fairly amazing though. I'm not sure I could've forgiven and moved on so easily.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:19 pm to Cocotheape
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I've never understood why black folks in this state forgave UA and Wallace for that but they by and large did
perhaps its because the other school in that state (Auburn) chose not to bring shame upon the state of Alabama by continuing to harp on it, while that other school in the 'Sipp has been on a propaganda campaign to make sure the stigma never dies, and therefore keeping themselves somewhat relevant in the football wars with Ole Miss...they send letters to every major recruit reminding them of the past even though a rebel flag hasn't been waved in vaught hemingway for over 20 years.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:21 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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I guess we could run it up the middle on everyone not named Alabama then. Don't see Ok St being any different. We scored like 40 points on everyone else and won almost every game by a wide margin.
ETA: Mississippi State was the only other game we did not score 35+. And we beat everyone by 13+ outside of Alabama including BCS Bowl champions Oregon and WVU. I think our offense was competent enough for Oklahoma St.
Your defense and special teams allowed your o to score. They were middle of the pack as far as production that year. You guys had a ridiculous turnover margin
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:44 pm to Cheese Grits
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Ole Miss doesn't have any part of the 1960 national title.
quote:Same thing with Alabama's 1966 non-title. The press would vote against Southern teams due to segregation & violence going on back them.
Were you alive back then?
But, still Ole Miss and Alabama did not win the AP/Coaches poll back then. Even if both teams had gone undefeated (which they did) and didn't allow any team to score.... they were not picked national champions by the big 2 polls (AP/Coaches)
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:44 pm to RollTide1987
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The fact of the matter is, USC and Oklahoma began the season #1 and #2 respectively.
Ignore the fact that Auburn played more teams ranked in the top 10, at the time, than USC and Okl. played top 25 teams..............combined. That was a "beauty contest" year and it was a big reason that the play-off style system began picking up traction.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 1:54 pm to Prof
quote:Spoken by a resident of the state of Tennessee who founded the KKK.
It's still fairly amazing though. I'm not sure I could've forgiven and moved on so easily.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 3:21 pm to MrAUTigers
Oklahoma had the returning Heisman winner, freshman sensation Heisman finalist Adrian Peterson, had previously played for the national title.
Auburn played no one on their schedule that was as tough as that Texas team in which OU shutout. That was Texas' only loss, and wouldn't lose again until 2006.
On paper, Auburn wasn't near what Oklahoma and USC had.
Auburn played no one on their schedule that was as tough as that Texas team in which OU shutout. That was Texas' only loss, and wouldn't lose again until 2006.
On paper, Auburn wasn't near what Oklahoma and USC had.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 3:23 pm to jatebe
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Spoken by a resident of the state of Tennessee who founded the KKK.
Yeah you got me. Some guy from West, TN whose pre-War 'business' was located in Mississippi founded your favorite club. Nevermind it was aimed directly at destroying the policies and politics of East, TN.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 3:23 pm to jatebe
AP and UPI are the institutions that colleges normally use to claim "legit" national titles although to say they have more credibility than others who declare national champions is somewhat absurd. The BCS formed due to biases, especially in the media. As for Auburn, I have no issue claiming 1983 as they played the second toughest schedule in NCAA history and were awarded the NC by the New York Times (not exactly a lightweight) and were leapfrogged by UM due to the media pushing a new Cinderella (think Boise state 5 years ago). As for 2004, I feel a little different because no reputable outlet chose AU although that may have changed if they knew SC was cheating...the only reason I would be ok with it is because the title is vacant? Huh? And no way AU should ever even consider 1993.
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