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re: This game cements it.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:55 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:55 pm to Henry Jones Jr
The more I argue this point, the more I realize you just need to be great on one side of the ball to be in the conversation. Not both.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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What about the Packers in 2010? Incredible offense, very meh defense.
So, you have one.
2013 Seahawks - Heavily Defensive
2012 Ravens - Heavily Defensive
2011 Giants - Leaned more on defense that offense
2010 Packers - Heavily Offensive
2009 Saints - Offensive, but had a very good D as well.
2008 Steelers - Heavily defensive
2007 Giants - Heavily defensive
2006 Colts - Heavily offensive
2005 Steelers - Heavily defensive
2004 Patriots - Leaned more on defense than offense
2003 Patriots - Heavily defensive
2002 Bucs - Heavily defensive
Actually, two. The colts D in 2006 was mediocre, at best.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:00 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Or any of the Patriots' super bowl teams? Incredible offenses, ok defenses
Those 2003 & 2004 Patriot teams had very good defenses. The 2007 Patriots team had a great offense and mediocre defense and they lost to the Giants because their offense got shut down.
The Saint's 2011 offense was record setting and they didn't win shite because they didn't have a defense.
ETA: My point is it's easier for a great defense to hold a great offense to less than 20 than it is for a great offense to put up 40 on a great defense.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:13 pm to RB10
I get where you are trying to go.. you can have a great team with a better offense than defense, but that is the exception more than the rule. When it comes to having a championship caliber team, you need to be above average in every facet of the game, no doubt. However, think of it this way. The point of it all is to score points. Offense scores points (and prevent points if it controls the time of possession which your examples weren't designed to do). Defense can prevent points, score points by themselves (pick six/fumble return), and give the ball back to their offense to score points.
In my opinion, playing great defense has more value. Obviously, having an efficient offense enhances that. But if your offense has a bad day, you can possibly score points with a great defense and deny the opponent a scoring opportunity. Great offense and poor defense just means your opponent has equal opportunity to keep pace with you.
In my opinion, playing great defense has more value. Obviously, having an efficient offense enhances that. But if your offense has a bad day, you can possibly score points with a great defense and deny the opponent a scoring opportunity. Great offense and poor defense just means your opponent has equal opportunity to keep pace with you.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:20 pm to goodshotred2
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I get where you are trying to go.. you can have a great team with a better offense than defense, but that is the exception more than the rule.
I'm saying it's the exception.
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In my opinion, playing great defense has more value. Obviously, having an efficient offense enhances that. But if your offense has a bad day, you can possibly score points with a great defense and deny the opponent a scoring opportunity. Great offense and poor defense just means your opponent has equal opportunity to keep pace with you.
This is what I believe as well. If you're going to be great on one side of the ball, the better choice is on defense, if you want to win championships.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:20 pm to goodshotred2
Also, look at our team this year versus the past couple. We've had some very good defenses recently and solid offense = 3 straight 11 win seasons. This year, most prolific offense in school history, awful defense = 7 win season. The point is we scored a lot of points, but because we couldn't get a stop, we lost a lot more games because we got outscored. In the past, we could consistently get stops, and either get points on defense, or at least give our offense another scoring opportunity while denying the opponent one.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:21 pm to RB10
RB10 - I'm with you. My response was meant for Mr. Jones Jr.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:25 pm to goodshotred2
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RB10 - I'm with you. My response was meant for Mr. Jones Jr.
The best combo is a great defense with an efficient offense IMO. They don't have to be prolific when they are constantly getting the ball in plus territory. All you have to do is go on a 4-5 minute drive ever 3rd possession to keep your D rested and you have a recipe for scoring more than enough to win 9 out of 10 easily.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:27 pm
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