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re: The SEC’s top QB-WR duos for 2013

Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:15 pm to
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The thing with Collins as the nickle back. When he came into the game he took the outside and Mills rotated to the inside on a slot receiver. Collins never really played inside.


My mistake. Must be remembering wrong then.

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Most tiger fans would disagree about the amount of production by Eugene and Martin when they were on the field. They both accounted well for themselves.


Not from what I've seen and heard from other LSU fans. Not to mention neither was a great recruit.

Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:17 pm to
Eh.

In the A&M, Bama, Auburn, USCe, Florida, and Clemson games, I wasn't impressed with Martin or Eugene, and they're two guys I want to like. Either way, they'll only get better.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:45 pm to
Against bama Martin was #4 on the team in total tackles. That usually means a player was around the ball.

Eugene was the defensive adjustment made by Chief to shut down manziel in the a&m game. Once tigers went to dime package it was a totally different defense. Among DBs in that game Martin was tied for second most solo tackles by a DB.

Against auburn Eugene had HALF of LSU's four sacks.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:48 pm to
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Against bama Martin was #4 on the team in total tackles. That usually means a player was around the ball.

Eugene was the defensive adjustment made by Chief to shut down manziel in the a&m game. Once tigers went to dime package it was a totally different defense. Among DBs in that game Martin was tied for second most solo tackles by a DB.

Against auburn Eugene had HALF of LSU's four sacks.


I'm not saying they're bad, I'm just saying in LSU's biggest games, they didn't really stick out like some of the past really good LSU DBs.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:49 pm to
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Against bama Martin was #4 on the team in total tackles. That usually means a player was around the ball.


Or for a DB they were beaten and gave up a catch. (Not saying that was the case though)

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Eugene was the defensive adjustment made by Chief to shut down manziel in the a&m game. Once tigers went to dime package it was a totally different defense.

Because the secret to Manziel is to not blitz him and let him sit back and overthink.

Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:50 pm to
Mo Claiborne and Tyrann Mathiue were both 3*s when they committed to LSU. Tigers were Mathieu's only D1 offer if I remember correctly. I know for sure saban passed on him when he camped out there.
Freshman All American CB, Jalen Mills was a 3* recruit in the '12 class.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:54 pm to
Well against LSU's two biggest west opponents they each had their moments.

Martin was one of the leading tacklers Vs bama and Eugene was the defensive adjustment that shut down the aggies offense.

Remember also, one was the sixth DB on the field and the other was the third safety.
This post was edited on 7/5/13 at 11:01 pm
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:54 pm to
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Mo Claiborne and Tyrann Mathiue were both 3*s when they committed to LSU. Tigers were Mathieu's only D1 offer if I remember correctly. I know for sure saban passed on him when he camped out there.
Freshman All American CB, Jalen Mills was a 3* recruit in the '12 class.


I understand all that but they were much more talented regardless of *.
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4698 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 10:59 pm to
Considering mccarron didn't break the centry mark in passing yards till bama's FINAL DRIVE of the game I really don't think he made many tackles after giving up a completion.

If that's all it takes to shut down the aggie offense why were gators and tigers the ONLY two to get it done?
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:00 pm to
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If that's all it takes to shut down the aggie offense why were gators and tigers the ONLY two to get it done?


Bama did a much better job in the 2nd half. Obviously it's more complicated than that.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:13 pm to
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Considering mccarron didn't break the centry mark in passing yards till bama's FINAL DRIVE of the game I really don't think he made many tackles after giving up a completion.



This.

He was making tackles on Lacy and Yeldon, who were both consistently getting to the second level. Lacy had 7.55 YPC and Yeldon had 6.91.

We should have just pounded it.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:14 pm to
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If that's all it takes to shut down the aggie offense why were gators and tigers the ONLY two to get it done?


A&M put up 9 points in the last three quarters. Considering all the talk before the game about how practice was bad and the team didn't have their heads in the right place, I don't think many people were that surprised to see A&M come out and be effective.
Posted by madddoggydawg
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
6567 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:25 pm to
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completely overrating Tavarres King who, though good, but wasn't always the deep threat,


not true... seemed to be the main reason y'all hung in the game vs. bama
Posted by MrCoachKlein
Member since Sep 2010
10302 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:48 pm to
OB plays ball like the shifty kid on the playground that may or may not be afraid to get hit. Jarvis is just a flat out man, he's going to have a huge year
Posted by joechristoppher77
Ruston
Member since Apr 2006
5319 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:20 pm to
Martin is very good imo, i have no idea how any knowledgeable lsu fan would say differently when looking at his whole body of work, he just happens to be younger and was behind the countries top safety. Minter is the hardest piece to replace, but i had the same concern when sheppard left, and chavis fixed that,lol. Martin was his high schools qb and a stud all around sports athlete, like many other lsu dbs in the past. You confuse me talking then backtracking on star importance, get it together.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145139 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:23 pm to
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A&M put up 9 points in the last three quarters
and bama only had 10 outside of the 2nd. totally throwing out a whole quarter of the game is fun
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80096 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 2:33 pm to
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Hey Aggies - Is Ricky Sealy Jones going to be a factor?


If he's anything close to Mike Evans, we should be fine.

Evans, if you recall, didn't even play football until his junior year of high school.
Posted by Hair of the Dog
Alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
2205 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 7:57 pm to
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The A&M receivers and TE's are: 6'6 (Clear) 6'6 (Seals-Jones) 6'5 (Evans) 6'4 (Hicks) 6'4 (Pope) 6'3 (Parker) 6'2 (Walker) 6'0 (Larue) 6'0 (Kennedy) 5'11 (Tabuyo) 5'11 (Holmes) 5'10 (Gonzalez) 5'8 (Williams)


Manziel is 6'0 and not Drew Brees in the pocket. I see bat-downs and picks this year.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 7/6/13 at 8:01 pm to
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and bama only had 10 outside of the 2nd. totally throwing out a whole quarter of the game is fun


I love how the gumps really think this is a good point. I bet they get so frustrated.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 7/7/13 at 2:30 am to
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and bama only had 10 outside of the 2nd. totally throwing out a whole quarter of the game is fun


I don't see your point. I'm making a point that we handled JFF after the first quarter, defensively. The offense didn't play up to par and lost us the game.
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