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re: The SEC West's glory years: 1957-66
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:24 pm to USMC Gators
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:24 pm to USMC Gators
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Anyone who tries to claim 1962 (except for Southern Cal) is full of shite.
Yeah, but you've got to factor in that while the three SEC West claimants were beating each other up, that allowed USC to slip in the back door with their wimpy West Coast schedule.
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:38 pm to TheDude321
Consensus national champions per NCAA....
Consensus National Champions
Since 1950
Year Champion (Selectors)
1950 Oklahoma (AP, UPI)
1951 Tennessee (AP, UPI)
1952 Michigan St. (AP, UPI)
1953 Maryland (AP, UPI)
1954 UCLA (FWAA, UPI)
Ohio St. (AP
1955 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, UPI)
1956 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, UPI)
1957 Ohio St. (FWAA, UPI)
Auburn (AP)
1958 LSU (AP, UPI)
Iowa (FWAA)
1959 Syracuse (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1960 Minnesota (AP, NFF, UPI)
Mississippi (FWAA)
1961 Alabama (AP, NFF, UPI)
Ohio St. (FWAA)
1962 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1963 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1964 Alabama (AP, UPI)
Arkansas (FWAA)*
Notre Dame (NFF)
1965 Michigan St. (FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Alabama (AP, FWAA)
1966 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Michigan St. (NFF)
1967 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1968 Ohio St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1969 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1970 Nebraska (AP, FWAA)
Texas (NFF, UPI)
Ohio St. (NFF)
1971 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1972 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1973 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Alabama (UPI)
1974 Southern California (FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Oklahoma (AP)
1975 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1976 Pittsburgh (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1977 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1978 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Southern California (UPI)
1979 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1980 Georgia (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1981 Clemson (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1982 Penn St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1983 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1984 BYU (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1985 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1986 Penn St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1987 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1988 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1989 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1990 Colorado (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN)
Georgia Tech (UPI)
1991 Washington (FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
Miami (FL) (AP)
1992 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1993 Florida St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1994 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1995 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1996 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN)
1997 Michigan (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Nebraska (USA/ESPN)
1998 Tennessee (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
1999 Florida St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2000 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2001 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2002 Ohio St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2003 LSU (NFF, USA/ESPN)
Southern California (AP, FWAA)
2004 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/ESPN)
2005 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2006 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2007 LSU (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2008 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2009 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2010 Auburn (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2011 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2012 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
* Southwest Conference
NCAA football bowl subdivision records (page 78)
Consensus National Champions
Since 1950
Year Champion (Selectors)
1950 Oklahoma (AP, UPI)
1951 Tennessee (AP, UPI)
1952 Michigan St. (AP, UPI)
1953 Maryland (AP, UPI)
1954 UCLA (FWAA, UPI)
Ohio St. (AP
1955 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, UPI)
1956 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, UPI)
1957 Ohio St. (FWAA, UPI)
Auburn (AP)
1958 LSU (AP, UPI)
Iowa (FWAA)
1959 Syracuse (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1960 Minnesota (AP, NFF, UPI)
Mississippi (FWAA)
1961 Alabama (AP, NFF, UPI)
Ohio St. (FWAA)
1962 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1963 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1964 Alabama (AP, UPI)
Arkansas (FWAA)*
Notre Dame (NFF)
1965 Michigan St. (FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Alabama (AP, FWAA)
1966 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Michigan St. (NFF)
1967 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1968 Ohio St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1969 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1970 Nebraska (AP, FWAA)
Texas (NFF, UPI)
Ohio St. (NFF)
1971 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1972 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1973 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Alabama (UPI)
1974 Southern California (FWAA, NFF, UPI)
Oklahoma (AP)
1975 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1976 Pittsburgh (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1977 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1978 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Southern California (UPI)
1979 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1980 Georgia (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1981 Clemson (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI)
1982 Penn St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1983 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1984 BYU (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1985 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1986 Penn St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1987 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1988 Notre Dame (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1989 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, USA/CNN)
1990 Colorado (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN)
Georgia Tech (UPI)
1991 Washington (FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
Miami (FL) (AP)
1992 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1993 Florida St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1994 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1995 Nebraska (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI)
1996 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN)
1997 Michigan (AP, FWAA, NFF)
Nebraska (USA/ESPN)
1998 Tennessee (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
1999 Florida St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2000 Oklahoma (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2001 Miami (FL) (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2002 Ohio St. (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN)
2003 LSU (NFF, USA/ESPN)
Southern California (AP, FWAA)
2004 Southern California (AP, FWAA, NFF,
USA/ESPN)
2005 Texas (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2006 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2007 LSU (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2008 Florida (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2009 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2010 Auburn (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2011 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
2012 Alabama (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA)
* Southwest Conference
NCAA football bowl subdivision records (page 78)
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:48 pm to WDE24
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Something seems amiss.
Consensus National Champions in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records include the AP Poll (AP), Coaches' Poll (UPI), Football Writers Association of America (FWAA), and the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame (NFF).
Win anyone of these and you are considered a "Consensus" champion.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 7:27 pm to USMC Gators
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Anyone who tries to claim 1962 (except for Southern Cal) is full of shite
You are full of shite. Ole Miss won it and was undefeated and untied in 1962. So frick off bitch.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 8:26 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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NO! PAST IS IRRELEVANT!!! '98 LANTA!!! GO DAWGS!! RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE!!!!!!!
You're awful. Keep worrying about Mississippi State.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:20 pm to HuggieBear
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Ole Miss won it and was undefeated and untied in 1962.
Do you think that the pollsters snubbed Ole Miss because of the campus riots that semester? ESPN recently did a documentary on Ole Miss' '62 season, but I didn't see it.
Wikipedia has a nice week-by-week write-up of the '62 season in general, and the pollsters for some reason dropped Ole Miss three times during the season, even though the Rebs had kept on winning: LINK.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:25 pm to TheDude321
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1960 Mississippi
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The State's National Champions
:OURState:
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:29 pm to TheDude321
None of ours count, remember?
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:40 pm to TheDude321
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The really crazy year is 1962...THREE western division teams claiming national titles that year...
Alabama doesn't claim 1962.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:49 pm to TheDude321
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1957 Auburn (consensus)
1958 LSU (consensus)
1961 Alabama (consensus)
1964 Alabama (consensus)
1965 Alabama (consensus)
These are legit.
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1960 Mississippi (1st-N-Goal, Angelo Louisa, Bill Libby, Billingsley Report, Century Football Index, College Football Researchers Association, Dunkel System, Football Writers Association of America, Harry DeVold, Harry Frye, James Howell, James Whalen, Jim Koger, Mel Smith, Montgomery Full Season Championship, National Championship Foundation, Patrick Premo, The State's National Champions, Williamson System)
1962 Mississippi (Billingsley Report, David Wilson, Edward Litkenhous, Jeff Self, Nutshell Sports Football Ratings, Sagarin Ratings, The State's National Champions)
1964 Arkansas* (consensus)
1966 Alabama (ARGH Power Ratings, Cliff Morgan, Clyde Berryman, Earl Jessen, National Championship Foundation, Soren Sorensen)
These are debateable.
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1958 Auburn (Montgomery Full Season Championship)
1959 Mississippi (Clyde Berryman, Dunkel System, Jeff Self, Loren Maxwell, Massy Ratings, Sagarin Ratings, Soren Sorensen, The Fleming System)
1962 Alabama (Montgomery Full Season Championship)
1962 LSU (Clyde Berryman)
These are bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 12:55 pm to 14&Counting
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Bama was screwed in 66
Perhaps, but Michigan State and Notre Dame were considered the best two teams all year long and they tied. Neither played in a bowl game, and being as these "championships" were voted on before the bowls, Alabama's beatdown of Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl didn't really mean anything.
This is fair enough, given that Alabama benefited from the timing of the AP's vote in both 1964 and 1965. In 1966, they didn't. But that's karma for you. Try crying about this to an Arkansas fan and they'll just laugh at you.
This post was edited on 6/12/13 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:03 pm to TheDude321
this is a pretty fun June thread.
Think of all the grief Alabama would save themselves if they took down their "1941" flag and put one up for 1966.
Think of all the grief Alabama would save themselves if they took down their "1941" flag and put one up for 1966.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:23 pm to I-59 Tiger
They got screwed in 1945 as well.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:30 pm to TxTiger82
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Try crying about this to an Arkansas fan and they'll just laugh at you.
No laughter. Only the sound of our tears hitting the ground and the air getting let out of your tires.
Serious bidness.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 1:58 pm to TxTiger82
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Perhaps, but Michigan State and Notre Dame were considered the best two teams all year long and they tied. Neither played in a bowl game, and being as these "championships" were voted on before the bowls, Alabama's beatdown of Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl didn't really mean anything
Well, the "problem" with that is Alabama started off the 1966 season ranked #1. They did nothing on the field to warrant being dropped.Their only close call was an 11-10 win in Knoxville over a very good Tennessee team.
Actually, what solidified the Notre Dame vote was the week following the Michigan State tie. The forerunner to the Pac 8, the American Association of Western Universities, had screwy schedules and by-laws. On the same day ND and Mich State tie, UCLA defeated Southern Cal 14-7. Still, Southern Cal had a 4-1 conference mark while UCLA had a 3-1 mark.The ADs could have selected UCLA has their Rose Bowl representative but chose Southern Cal instead. Notre Dame walloped Southern Cal 51-0 in Los Angeles. That did it,really.
Ironically, in 1964 Southern Cal upset then #1 Notre Dame, 20-17 scoring 20 fourth quarter points after entering the final quarter down 17-0.This moved Alabama to #1 from #2.
As for the bowls, certainly with less than 10 major bowls in 1966 the bowls were viewed as an afterthought. Still,its too at least one poll didn't wait until after the bowls that year. No one made Notre Dame not accept bowls and the Big 10's Rose Bowl only, but no repeat was insane. Michigan State won the Big 10 in 1965 and 1966 but since they went the previous year, runner-up Purdue played Southern Cal in the Rose that year.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:07 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:Bama could count other years. Bama was voted national champion by the National Championship Foundation in 1945 and 1966. Bama was undefeated and untied both years and also the SEC champion in 1945 and 1966, which I know meets LSU fans' approval.
Think of all the grief Alabama would save themselves if they took down their "1941" flag and put one up for 1966.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:09 pm to jatebe
Alabama went to (and won) the Rose Bowl in 45 after Army turned it down, but the latter got the feel-good title because of WW2 ending.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:11 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Think of all the grief Alabama would save themselves if they took down their "1941" flag and put one up for 1966.
Truer words have never been spoken.
I wish we had never claimed that year, and now that we do, I wish we'd just let it go. We weren't national champions by any reasonable standard.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:15 pm to TheDude321
This could possibly be the greatest thread ever.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 2:18 pm to jatebe
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Bama was undefeated and untied both years and also the SEC champion in 1945 and 1966, which I know meets LSU fans' approval
You realize you have LSU to thank for your share of the 1965 title,don't you?
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