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re: The SEC Should Only Send One Team to the Playoff: The Champion

Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:23 am to
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The problem is that 4 teams now means more SEC teams can get in. So what do the fans scream for then? Conference Champs only of course. Anything to limit the SEC and keep out some of the best teams in football. Because after all we want to be fair and liberal. How dare a Dr make more than a fry cook. We have to even things out for everyone. Makes sense! ??


What NONE of you are recognizing is the very real possibility of an SEC champion being left out using this process. I want a guaranteed spot for our champions, not some secret vote by a committee of, what? Political appointees???

Just minimize the subjectivity and you will have the best system, imv.
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1908 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:24 am to
I think it should be conference champions only, until it gets to at least 8 teams.

You know who goes to the Super Bowl? The NFC Champion and the AFC Champion.

You know who goes to the World Series? The NL Champion and the AL Champion.

You know who goes to the NBA Finals? The Eastern Conference Champion and the Western Conference Champion.

In all of those sports, some wild-cards exist before you get to the championship round, but in baseball and football, the division champions have some sort of benefit over the wild cards regarding playoff game sites and/or byes. In the NBA, the divisions don't mean as much, but the better teams have home court advantage each round.

College football is the only sport that uses any type of "eye test" to pick a champion, resulting in the possibility of a team that has not won a lower level championship of any kind to play for it all. It was BS in 2011 and it would be BS now.

GEAUX TIGERS
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9415 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:25 am to
Playoff should be the 4 best teams, regardless of conference. A playoff consisting of #10 vs 1 and #2 vs 5 will be even more of a joke than the BCS was.

The final committee poll and playoff selection better damn sure mirror the coaches and AP polls with no dickering around bc of conferences.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:30 am
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:27 am to
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What NONE of you are recognizing is the very real possibility of an SEC champion being left out using this process. I want a guaranteed spot for our champions, not some secret vote by a committee of, what? Political appointees???

Just minimize the subjectivity and you will have the best system, imv.


With four playoff spots and five major conferences PLUS Notre Dame...we guaranteed a maximum amount of subjectivity.

AT LEAST have enough slots for the major conference champions and debate the at large slots. With a minimum of one conference left out, possibly two with Notre Dame, and possibly three if two SEC teams make it in...this is as subjective as ever.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:27 am to
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You know who goes to the Super Bowl? The NFC Champion and the AFC Champion.

You know who goes to the World Series? The NL Champion and the AL Champion.

You know who goes to the NBA Finals? The Eastern Conference Champion and the Western Conference Champion.


Terrible analogy.
Posted by Skeeterpop
Member since Oct 2014
421 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:29 am to
I dont want any 3 loss team guaranteed a spot. They are not one of the top 4 teams if they have 3 losses IMo
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1908 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:42 am to
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Terrible analogy.


Why?

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I dont want any 3 loss team guaranteed a spot. They are not one of the top 4 teams if they have 3 losses IMo


That thinking sure wasn't anywhere near the Bama fans who kept talking up the "Giants got a rematch of the Patriots" meme before the Mulligan Bowl. OBTW, do you know why the Giants got that rematch? They were NFC CHAMPIONS.

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With four playoff spots and five major conferences PLUS Notre Dame...we guaranteed a maximum amount of subjectivity.

AT LEAST have enough slots for the major conference champions and debate the at large slots. With a minimum of one conference left out, possibly two with Notre Dame, and possibly three if two SEC teams make it in...this is as subjective as ever.



This I agree with. Eight teams is the right number: 5 conference champions and 3 at large teams, with a preference for undefeated mid-major teams (if they haven't lost, then you don't know that anyone is really better than them until you get them on the field.)

All that said, releasing the rankings now is a joke. Apply this system to 2007; LSU would not be in the field prior to the SECCG weekend and the Pitt/Mizzou meltdowns.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:49 am to
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AT LEAST have enough slots for the major conference champions and debate the at large slots. With a minimum of one conference left out, possibly two with Notre Dame, and possibly three if two SEC teams make it in...this is as subjective as ever.

yep, it's even worse than the BCS.

But even if we went to an 8-team format, I would still want all conference champions. 'Wildcards' are for children playing poker.

ETA:

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Anything to limit the SEC and keep out some of the best teams in football. Because after all we want to be fair and liberal. How dare a Dr make more than a fry cook.

First of all, EVERY SEC team has the same chance to make it to the playoffs, no one is left out, all they have to do is win the conference.

Second of all, there is nothing more liberal than a mulligan. "Oh, give the poor boy another chance, it's the only fair thing to do." frick that, win - you're in. Lose and you're out. Keep your communist-minded, 'fairness' ideology out of an objective determination of a champion.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 11:57 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:51 am to
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Terrible analogy.

It's a good one, MLB and the NFL started out with no wildcards. The only reason wildcards were added was to increase revenue.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:59 am to
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I dont want any 3 loss team guaranteed a spot. They are not one of the top 4 teams if they have 3 losses IMo

You say that now, but you would sing a different tune if it was an SEC champion Alabama being left out.
Posted by Skeeterpop
Member since Oct 2014
421 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:00 pm to
I am ok with 8 teams. And if each of the 5 champs get a bid with 3 more top ranked teams I could live with that. Because if a 3 or 4 loss champ gets in there are enough teams out of 8 to weed out the bottom feeders.

But we have 4 only now and one Champ at minimum will automatically be left out. So obviously Conference Champs are not the most important part of choosing the teams. If one can be left out then 2 or more can if it means we get the best teams on the field.

Let me throw this in. People want to hate on Bama just because. Bama has been one game away from going to every BCS championship game 6 of the last 7
Years. So yes. Bama w/Saban should be looked at differently. At least when you are comparing teams with similar records. At least until their run and talent drops off. But no team should get a free pass regardless. You can identify the top 5-8 teams with the eye test alone. Watching game film and teams playing is subjective but its much better than just looking at records. Stats are just numbers. They dont always tell you what you can see with your eyes.
Posted by Skeeterpop
Member since Oct 2014
421 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:14 pm to
Quote. You say that now, but you would sing a different tune if it was an SEC champion Alabama being left out.

No I would not. We lose 3 games. We do not Deserve anything. Nor are we one of the top 4 teams. Some fans can actually be big fans but yet understand things without getting blinded by our teams colors. Sorry, but few online message board fans can claim that. I can and I am proud that I can see the forrest for the trees even if my team is in that situation.

My college term paper was on perceived biases and I used football plays in my experiments with 50 college fans to prove there is a huge bias of how fans see things certain ways based on which schools were involved. Over 90% of fans will make flag calls based on which side of the ball their team or a rival is on. It makes a huge difference and is really funny watching people rationalize the same play based on which teams are playing.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:19 pm to
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No I would not. We lose 3 games. We do not Deserve anything.

I see, so you would have Bama forfeit the SECCG to the SECE champs.

Interesting.

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My college term paper was on perceived biases

Oh, you college boys are too smart for me.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16202 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:20 pm to
Notre Dame should be excluded from the playoff until they join a conference.

Playoff should be expanded to 8 teams and the conference winners go along with best 3 at large teams.

Then everybody else can shut their pie hole.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36112 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:26 pm to
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If you cannot win your conference or division, you should not get invited to the playoff for the National Championship.



Honestly it is a somewhat arbitrary qualifier since it doesn't value out of conference results and it doesn't value all conference games the same.... BUT it would add value to the conference championship.

I wouldn't have a problem with this criteria - really I'd just like the criteria for playoff admission to be spelled out instead of remaining unclear because people have a variety of different ideas for what should be most important
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted by Skeeterpop
Member since Oct 2014
421 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:27 pm to
I would not have them forfeit anything. But just because the won the championship would not give them an auto birth.
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30875 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:29 pm to
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That is subjective and irrelevant.


A panel is determining who the best 4 teams are. Even in YOUR scenario, they would have to choose the "best" conference champs, which may or may not be cut and dried.

The entire premise is subjective. To imply otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:29 pm to
Melt day 1,023
Posted by Jma313
Member since Aug 2010
5157 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:34 pm to
butt still sore from 1/12?
Posted by LSUANDY25
Frisco
Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:34 pm to
Thats exactly what is going to happen. Georgia vs the West for that spot. Maybe this is finally Coach Richt's year.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 12:36 pm
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