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re: The SEC is underestimating LSU

Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:59 pm to
Posted by Monticello
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:59 pm to
I don't think it is so much that LSU has been written off. The SEC West is insanely deep this year with no true bottom feeder. Any of 4 teams have the potential to win the West, with Ole Miss and State having the talent to beat anybody on a great day.

Any time you play a team with the talent LSU has, you are in for a rough day.
Posted by Marines4Auburn
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:00 pm to
Because LSU has been getting worse since the end of the 2007 era, because Crowton is terrible and there is no real reason to see that the offense improves this year. LSU is a great school, loaded with tons of talent but has a bad coaching staff.
Posted by Rollie Fingers
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:01 pm to
Les pretty much skull fricked Cheez and his boys last season. At no point were you ever in the game. How do you explain that?
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 6:02 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:03 pm to
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Sounds like that's a pretty good situation to be in. I realize that the past two seasons have left Tiger fans with a serious need for some kind/any kind of recognition, but I wouldn't be overly concerned with pre-season polls.


You're right. I actually like being ranked #16 and being picked 4th in the West with this type of talent on both sides of the ball. Talent-wise, we are right behind Alabama, if not equal to them (again, coaching is the difference), but being picked 4th might light a fire under a very talented team. Even though Arkansas and Ole Miss always give LSU all we can handle, those two programs are not consistently on par with LSU. They have been giving us fits for years because they leave everything on the field when they play LSU, as they should.

I'm more talking about the perception that fans have as we lead up to the season. LSU went 9-4 last year and finished 3rd in the SEC losing in the last minute in 2 games and giving Alabama and Florida very close games and people here act like we have no shot in 2010. I'm just making the case that LSU is still a team to be reckoned with.
Posted by Monticello
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:05 pm to
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Les pretty much skull fricked Cheez and his boys last season. At no point were you ever in the game. How do you explain that?



Ridiculous talent discrepancy. If LSU played to its potential it would be on Alabama and Florida's level right now. And you can't blame it all on a bad QB. Alabama has a very average QB, but the offense was built to where he does not have to win the games. LSU could do the same but the coaches continue to put Jefferson in positions he does not have the ability to handle.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:07 pm to
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Ridiculous talent discrepancy. If LSU played to its potential it would be on Alabama and Florida's level right now. And you can't blame it all on a bad QB. Alabama has a very average QB, but the offense was built to where he does not have to win the games. LSU could do the same but the coaches continue to put Jefferson in positions he does not have the ability to handle.


by this logic you would also have to agree with the statement that Jefferson could lead Alabama to an SEC title this season. are you seriously ready to admit that?
Posted by Rollie Fingers
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:07 pm to
Talent discrepancy? Auburn took Sabear to the wire last season? All these convenient inconsistent arguments as to why Miles is a bad coach are really pathetic. Just give the guy some credit already.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:12 pm to
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Talent discrepancy? Auburn took Sabear to the wire last season?


And the Auburn coaches did a hell of a job with the 2 weeks they had to prepare. Auburn played its best game of the year at the same time Bama played its worst football. The talent difference was just too much to overcome ultimately.
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:14 pm to
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by this logic you would also have to agree with the statement that Jefferson could lead Alabama to an SEC title this season. are you seriously ready to admit that?



You make an excellent point. I think Alabama would still be the favorite to win the West. I guess my point is that LSU needs to emphasize the run game a bit more in my opinion and stop expecting a bimbo like Jordan Jefferson to execute 3rd and 14's because of dumb playcalling.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:16 pm to
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You make an excellent point. I think Alabama would still be the favorite to win the West. I guess my point is that LSU needs to emphasize the run game a bit more in my opinion and stop expecting a bimbo like Jordan Jefferson to execute 3rd and 14's because of dumb playcalling.


have to get a decent offensive line first
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:16 pm to
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Florida beat our arse last year, imo. plain and simple. we couldnt do anything against their D and couldn't stop a simple dive play.
While this is true, they still could not score on us until one of their WR literally pulled the DB to the ground before making a catch and running in for their only TD of the game. In that way, they did catch a break. It is true our offense was pathetic in that game but our defense did a great job of bending but not breaking to keep us closer than we likely should have been.
Posted by Rollie Fingers
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:18 pm to
so it appears if you mix in the word "talent level" with the degree to how well the team played on a particular day you could explain away any college football win or loss. Its really just a big bunch of nonsense. Miles has maintained an elite "talent level" while continuing to make his team perform well enough to win games for a longer period of time than any other coach in the SEC West. You just cannot explain it away.
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:18 pm to
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have to get a decent offensive line first


last year's line was pathetic.
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:19 pm to
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Les pretty much skull fricked Cheez and his boys last season. At no point were you ever in the game. How do you explain that?


We were an thin team chalked full of injuries. Our QB folded like a wet dollar bill. Last year was Auburn's worst year defensively of ALL TIME. If you can lay your head at night feeling good about LSU because they beat that shitty arse Auburn squad last year then you sir are fricked.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:20 pm to
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Regional commentators and opposing fan bases seem to have written LSU off. That is a mistake. I concede that Les Miles is not a coach that strikes fear in anyone. But, LSU is going to be formidable this year and are as talented as both Alabama and Florida. Those two teams are better (again, see coaching), but LSU can still beat them. Writing off LSU and putting Auburn, Ole Miss, or Arkansas ahead of them is a mistake, in my opinion. I'm not saying that LSU will beat all three of those teams. We seem to annually lose to one of them (last time we beat all 3 was 2005). But, they are all going to have a fight on their hands.

I don't know what our record will be and I don't know who we'll beat or lose to. But, every fan base on LSU's schedule has got to know that there is a good chance of losing when they play the Tigers.

Why would anyone think otherwise?


I agree with all of this.
Posted by Rollie Fingers
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:20 pm to
You said the LSU coaching staff was not good yet they completely embarrassed your coaching staff last season. Those excuses you gave are a very poor explanation. The better coached team and more prepared team won the ball game.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 6:21 pm
Posted by labamafan
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:20 pm to
Rohan who is saying LSu (except a couple of new fans) is not going to be any good. I havent although could have missed but I havent seen one Bama fan that has been here for any length of time saying LSu will suck. Is this some sort of Tiger fan motivation you got going on here; play the underdog card until everyone believes it
Posted by XbengalTiger
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Member since Oct 2003
5464 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:21 pm to
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Because LSU has been getting worse since the end of the 2007 era, because Crowton is terrible and there is no real reason to see that the offense improves this year.
That is just rant talk. The problem is some LSU fans have gone so negative on message boards and radio that the media is running with it. Was Crowton terrible when his offense was setting records at BYU or for the Chicago Bears? I guess he forgot how to coach and having two different inexperienced freshman and sophomore QB's the last two years had nothing to do with it.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:22 pm to
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If you can lay your head at night feeling good about LSU because they beat that shitty arse Auburn squad last year then you sir are fricked.


what about the two AU squads LSU beat in 07 and 08?
Posted by Marines4Auburn
Auburn Alum in South Florida
Member since Sep 2009
14926 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:22 pm to
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You said the coach staff was not good yet they completely embarrassed your coaching staff last season. Those excuses you gave are a very poor explanation. The better coached team and more prepared team won the ball game.



First of all I said Miles and Crowton weren't good coaches, not at least good enough for LSU. There was no poor explanation, we were a thin, beat up team and we got are arse beat by a more talented team. LSU's win over Auburn last year wasn't because of your coaching.
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