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Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:58 am to cardboardboxer
A&M fans take message boards waaaaay too seriously
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:01 am to Choctaw
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A&M fans take message boards waaaaay too seriously
I am not writing a dissertation on it or something crazy. Just discussion.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:16 am to hg
Oh look, a LSU fan brought up a&m
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:24 am to Choctaw
You take our posts way too seriously
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:29 am to cardboardboxer
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You say that, but that is its own Catch 22: -If the little bro doesn't win anything, then they can't contribute at all or any of their contributions are "lol, so little bro" -If they DO win something significant then as soon as they want to beat their chest about it they are faced with "lol, act like you have been here before. That is so little bro" It is like a viper's nest of Catch 22s. Which is honestly more interesting than the concept of little bro-ism in my opinion.
You have a pretty low standard for what a Catch 22 is.
You really think that winning something and being accused of not being able to handle it with grace is as bad as not winning at all?
Stated more simply, do you consider the question: Would you rather be a national champion or not? to be a Catch 22?
Agree on little broism being weak sauce..
Although since both my schools are big brothers, I really can't relate.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:35 am to oman
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You really think that winning something and being accused of not being able to handle it with grace is as bad as not winning at all.
No, that isn't what I said. I am not talking what-so-ever about my own value system.
Why that is a Catch 22 is not because the options are equal, its because in neither option is the little bro criticism dodged. That is my point- there is no option that doesn't allow for little bro criticism.
My personal opinion as an Aggie is if my team ever wins a national title little bro comments or not we will act the fool at level never seen before and we will piss on every non-Aggie in our region, heck maybe the whole country. And I will love every minute of it.
But that has nothing to do with this discussion, which is that no matter what every action a little bro undertakes can be criticized with the little bro critique because its a Catch 22.
Thank you for contributing (or trying to at least) to the discussion.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:48 am to cardboardboxer
Members of every fanbase say mean things about every other fanbase on here. 'Little bro' just happens to be one of them.
That is not to say that there aren't some distinct characteristics which define little broism, obsession with all things big bro being atop the list.
IMO, if it bothers you to be characterised as a little bro, A) don't let it bother you; and B) lose the obsession with big bro(s) and beat said big bro(s) head to head.
It's hard to call TCU and Baylor little bro when they've been whipping the arses of everyone they've played who may have previously qualified as big bro to them.
In any case, it's a fricking message board. If you're genuinely bothered by anything that's said on here you should probably take a break and reprioritize your life.
*Not suggesting you specifically take a break CB. Aggies on tRant can't afford to lose their best poster (by a wide margin) for any prolonged period of time.
That is not to say that there aren't some distinct characteristics which define little broism, obsession with all things big bro being atop the list.
IMO, if it bothers you to be characterised as a little bro, A) don't let it bother you; and B) lose the obsession with big bro(s) and beat said big bro(s) head to head.
It's hard to call TCU and Baylor little bro when they've been whipping the arses of everyone they've played who may have previously qualified as big bro to them.
In any case, it's a fricking message board. If you're genuinely bothered by anything that's said on here you should probably take a break and reprioritize your life.
*Not suggesting you specifically take a break CB. Aggies on tRant can't afford to lose their best poster (by a wide margin) for any prolonged period of time.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:51 am to cardboardboxer
It may be more with the particular school than you think.
Boise State does well? I mean, nobody really cared enough about them to begin with.
A school like A&M or even any "state school" with a major program? They are going to have lots of detractors anyway.
I think the deeper question is -- can we do anything that will stop the detractors for throwing lame or weak sauce at us, and the answer is no.
That's tripply true for a school like A&M with all its Aggie pride.
(And you guys always act the fool, natty or not. More about you all than any particular "little bro" discussion.)
Boise State does well? I mean, nobody really cared enough about them to begin with.
A school like A&M or even any "state school" with a major program? They are going to have lots of detractors anyway.
I think the deeper question is -- can we do anything that will stop the detractors for throwing lame or weak sauce at us, and the answer is no.
That's tripply true for a school like A&M with all its Aggie pride.
(And you guys always act the fool, natty or not. More about you all than any particular "little bro" discussion.)
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:52 am to GeauxToBed
A&M is not tu's little brother. If anything, A&M is tu's big brother.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:05 am to GeauxToBed
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IMO, if it bothers you to be characterised as a little bro, A) don't let it bother you
I promise you it doesn't. Many many times I am glad A&M is not "The University of Texas" and has to deal with a hundred conflicting egos who all have their own opinions about how "Texas" should be represented to the nation. I am very happy we only have to represent Aggies. This discussion is more academic.
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B) lose the obsession with big bro(s) and beat said big bro(s) head to head.
Is that really a solution? Seems like being a little bro never stops at one game.
For example, if next year we play Texas in a bowl and beat them the response from Texas fans will be the alltime record. That response implies that until we even that record (which couldn't be done in my lifetime even if we played every year) any singular win doesn't matter.
I am actually a big proponent that little bro-ism has nothing to do with actually winning games, but instead how your program is perceived. Sure winning games is the easy way to be perceived as the better program, but it isn't the only way and might not be the best way if you have a hole like that to dig out of in the alltime record.
I mean is Auburn just as good an Vanderbilt because their alltime record is tied? No way. We use clues outside the alltime to make the judgement. Case in point:
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It's hard to call TCU and Baylor little bro when they've been whipping the arses of everyone they've played who may have previously qualified as big bro to them.
And yet I see Texas fans all the time refer to them as such. OR we saw Michigan fans still calling a successful Michigan St. little bro. Or heck Auburn is one of the top programs in the nation and yet they are little bro only because by fate they share a state with the best program in the nation.
Winning doesn't solve everything, perception outside of the field matters. In the case of Baylor (less than TCU) all their recent success doesn't wash away the taste in our mouths from realignment. We remember how close they got to the mid major edge, which puts a glass ceiling on their regional respect level.
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In any case, it's a fricking message board. If you're genuinely bothered by anything that's said on here you should probably take a break and reprioritize your life.
I am not bothered by it. It is the offseason so I am going a little meta that's all. I have no plans to leave, at least not related to little broism.
And even though I appreciate your compliment that I am the best Aggie poster I am not even close. The list goes TBird, Shane, .....(lots of posters)..., Cardboardboxer. There are some here who probably say I am the worst poster, and I wouldn't blame them. Now that I have retired from trolling I am pretty boring. Really I just know I will never top the dick riding thread so I am not going to try, I would rather talk about the color of the wallpaper in the place.
Thank you for the contribution and the compliments yet again!
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:27 am to oman
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Boise State does well? I mean, nobody really cared enough about them to begin with.
I don't know, Idaho fans are pretty pissed especially when realignment almost ruined their program while Boise St had options.
Your point is well taken though, being a little bro means that you have a built in opposition fanbase to your success. That means that no matter what you will be met with criticism. The key to me though is the form the criticism takes.
Why is it almost always a little bro critique? When we find exceptions to the rule (I look to UF and FSU) we can see there are other options. UF fans don't act like FSU is a little bro, they act like their fans are clown school morons. Why don't more "big bros" look at things that way?
I guess the "deeper question" for me is what exactly can we learn from the fact that so many fans like only the front runners? I mean that is basically what a little bro critique boils down to, "you aren't the front runner and I am offended you dare challenge or compare yourself to the front runner." If they weren't so attracted to front runner status you figure some other critique would be used more often.
To me the clinging to little bro cutdowns has the same root as the comment I always see fans post on ESPN comments/Rant/Other Forums: "College Football is better when Michigan/Alabama/USC/Texas/etc. is good." I don't think you can really consider the implications of WHY the little bro critique is so loved (despite its implications as I have laid out) without also considering the fact that some fans place so much value on being associated with the "big bro" program with no other factors involved.
Part of my lack of understanding is clear to me- I don't tie my person ego to the accomplishments of college students so I can't relate. But even beyond that T-Shirt mentality within a region there is kind of an unspoken code between major "big bro" programs where they have each others back (outside of personal biases). A USC fan doesn't want to see A&M doing good, they want to see a successful Texas. An Ohio St fan prefer a college playoff with a Bama in it than a Ole Miss, etc. It seems that for many of the core fans in this sport they basically want the teams that were good when they were children to do well to the detriment of all others, and I think this call to nostalgia is part of the reason everyone keeps running back to the same little bro cutdown.
I could be wrong about that last part though, as I lack a perspective that could even get me to understand the whole "College Football is better when _______ is good" mentality. To me college football is good when the games are good, no matter who plays in them.
I do want to personally thank you for elevating the discussion, I really appreciate it. You are obviously a smart guy and I am just looking for discussion and understanding.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:30 am to cardboardboxer
At least you know your place
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:33 am to cardboardboxer
That isn't even a Catch-22. Do you even Heller, bro?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:35 am to cardboardboxer
Little Bro syndrome is not a Catch 22, in that it is escapable by way of becoming Big Bro.... Win some games, bide your time, and eventually, you can say things like... LOL Kevin Sumlin makes $5 million and has never beaten Les Miles.
Instead of retarded crap like "we stole your DC" and "17-0"
Instead of retarded crap like "we stole your DC" and "17-0"
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:40 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:42 am to cardboardboxer
there is no catch 22. it's how the fans act that make schools little bro.
auburn, mississippi state, and a&m fans have the little bro act down to a T.
auburn, mississippi state, and a&m fans have the little bro act down to a T.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:47 am to chilge1
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Little Bro syndrome is not a Catch 22, in that it is escapable by way of becoming Big Bro....
But what does that mean "becoming big bro?"
Does just winning a bunch of games in a row do it? Was A&M LSU's big bro in 90's?
Or is it winning the bigger games? Like after X many national titles little bro becomes big bro?
Seems like the standard is always shifting in whatever direction makes it harder to the little bros to overcome their little broness. That is what I find fascinating about all of this, there seems to be a real sympathy NOT for the underdog but for the big bros even outside your program.
To me USCe is a great example. They are to a point program-wise where MAYBE they have passed up their old big bro Clemson to become the big bro. It is close enough to debate when you look at who has won the most recently and who has the bigger national profile.
Yet I have watched non-Clemson posters argue VERY passionately on this forum that USC still is the little bro, and until they can magically flush their early history down some toilet no amount of modern success can overcome that little broism. Given the treatment USC gets it leads me to believe that there is no way to "become big bro," at least nothing outside of a few national titles in a row which is a standard many big bros themselves can't live up to.
I care less about when USC crosses the threshold, and more WHY so many SEC fan are willing to white knight for Clemson's big broness. There is a mental tie to that big bro position that I have had trouble defining, hence the thread.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:49 am to hawgfaninc
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there is no catch 22. it's how the fans act that make schools little bro.
I know you hate big long paragraph posts like I do, but would you mind defining for me exactly what actions "make schools little bro?"
I feel like your statement is full of a "I know it when I see it" rational, which really doesn't help me much.
Thank you in advance.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:52 am to cardboardboxer
I couldn't really say. I lived in Myrtle Beach several years ago and 'Clemsoning' was the running joke.... At the time, everyone I associated with would favor USCe as the dominant program in the state.
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