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re: TAMU - I heard your coach on SECN sometime recently discussing the run game...
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:06 pm to Mirthomatic
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:06 pm to Mirthomatic
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No one has ever said that TOP doesn't matter to defensive statistics. The referenced thread was only meant to show that Chavis DOES have good defenses, even when he isn't helped by a good TOP. He's fielded top 10 defenses even when his team's TOP has been ranked nowhere near the top 10.
And the chart shows that lumping the statistics in obscures game to game trends that matter when evaluating the argument. As TOP increases, Defenses metrics become more impressive. When you plot the individual data points, you see that in games where his offenses were more productive, so was he. You guys want to fight this, but it is a stupid hill to die on. TOP and defensive production are correlated. Denying it makes you look stupid.
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:14 pm to therick711
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Are we conflating spread option and spread run heavy teams with Air Raid offenses again? The apt comparisons would be what June Jones did, Mike Leach, Hal Mumme, Art Briles, etc.
FWIW, Baylor was 27th in rushing last year while still being 1st in passing so running the ball effectively can be done in an Air Raid offense.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:29 pm to therick711
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And the chart shows that lumping the statistics in obscures game to game trends that matter when evaluating the argument. As TOP increases, Defenses metrics become more impressive. When you plot the individual data points, you see that in games where his offenses were more productive, so was he. You guys want to fight this, but it is a stupid hill to die on. TOP and defensive production are correlated. Denying it makes you look stupid.
We aren't dying on the hill because we aren't even ON the hill. Literally no one has said that TOP and defensive success aren't correlated. But the LSU mantra has been that not only is there correlation, but there is also causation, in which the causal factor is how the offense performs it's job of "running the clock".
And not only that, but that CHAVIS specifically owes his success to the help his defenses get from his teams' offenses. For all you know, Chavis might be the one DC who is LEAST dependent upon having a good TOP. We'd never know, because he's almost never had a good, much less elite, TOP.
Being unable to comprehend the arguments others are actually making makes you look stupid. Or trollish, perhaps, if the misunderstanding is willful.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:13 pm to Mars United
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Mars United
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FWIW, Baylor was 27th in rushing last year while still being 1st in passing so running the ball effectively can be done in an Air Raid offense.
Briles doesn't run Air-Raid.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:15 pm to therick711
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:18 pm to GFunk
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Briles doesn't run Air-Raid.
They run a bunch of air raid concepts.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:52 pm to GFunk
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I'm interested if any of you are aware of the specifics about what they'll try to do differently this year?
they might actually do it
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:38 pm to GFunk
Dave Christensen was hired as the run game coordinator, has put the interior linemen in a three point stance and moved largely to a pulling zone blacking scheme instead of the traditional hat on a hat man blocking Air Raid run plays.
Normally the air raid runs the ball by spreading the defense out and just out blocking the five players in the box. That works in a league like the Big XII where there arent many LBs who can play man coverage and stuff the run and defensive linemen who can eat up multiple blockers easily. Most teams in lesser conferences are forced to play with 6 DBs against 4 wide sets, or three wide with athletic tight ends. It doesnt work so well when teams can remain in their nickel sets with 6 in the box against four wide because the linebackers can handle it.
Last year we tried blocking six guys with five linemen straight up, which was even worse than it sounds when you consider Bama and Ole Miss and MSU and LSU had linemen that couldnt be blocked one on one. With zone blocking, you can essentially negate the numbers advantage by pulling linemen, TEs and H-backs into the gaps you wish to run in and turning loose the linemen and linebackers away from the play. The way we ran it last year, unblocked players were free to make plays if they simply read the gap correctly.
Normally the air raid runs the ball by spreading the defense out and just out blocking the five players in the box. That works in a league like the Big XII where there arent many LBs who can play man coverage and stuff the run and defensive linemen who can eat up multiple blockers easily. Most teams in lesser conferences are forced to play with 6 DBs against 4 wide sets, or three wide with athletic tight ends. It doesnt work so well when teams can remain in their nickel sets with 6 in the box against four wide because the linebackers can handle it.
Last year we tried blocking six guys with five linemen straight up, which was even worse than it sounds when you consider Bama and Ole Miss and MSU and LSU had linemen that couldnt be blocked one on one. With zone blocking, you can essentially negate the numbers advantage by pulling linemen, TEs and H-backs into the gaps you wish to run in and turning loose the linemen and linebackers away from the play. The way we ran it last year, unblocked players were free to make plays if they simply read the gap correctly.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:28 am to TeLeFaWx
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TeLeFaWx
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They run a bunch of air raid concepts.
Incorporating those concepts into the base of what they run =/= running the Air Raid.
Mike Leach runs Air Raid. Hall Mumme runs Air Raid. Art Briles does not run Air Raid.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:31 am to GFunk
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Incorporating those concepts into the base of what they run =/= running the Air Raid.
Mike Leach runs Air Raid. Hall Mumme runs Air Raid. Art Briles does not run Air Raid.
I mean everyone's offense is different, but I'd be curious if you actually know the difference, as yes they do have an intrinsicly different philosophy than the air raid guys.
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