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re: T J Yeldon NFL Draft
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:12 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:12 pm to wadewilson
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Ingram was a bust.
Ingram is still playing and was just in the pro bowl. You may want to wait a few more years before you label him a bust.
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Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:14 pm to Aman
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Ingram is still playing and was just in the pro bowl. You may want to wait a few more years before you label him a bust.
Some of you Bama blowhards will defend anyone.
Ingram is a bust, plain and simple. He did nothing his first 3 years in the league then in his 4th was merely decent running for 900 some yards at 4.3 yards per carry. Hardly a career a 1st round pick can toot their horn for. Dude's a bust.
Clearly the pro bowl doesn't mean much in the case where other guys back out so you can get in and you couldn't even run for 75 yards a game at a fairly low yards per carry average. In fact, this should tell you how RBs are really valued now in the NFL when someone can have that pedestrian of a season and make a pro bowl.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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Ingram has been barely above a disaster, he had a decent year for the first time ever 4 years in his career and he ran for a whopping 900 some yards. Probably one of if not the worst RB to ever make the pro bowl (and only did it because others backed out).
Considering where Ingram was drafted, he is 100% a bust
But he is still playing. He seems fairly healthy for the 1st time since leaving Bama and has shown he can be a good NFL back. Because he played at Bama and had bad first two seasons you want to rush the label on him. Why can't you wait and see how he translates the success he had this season to the rest of his career before you call his career a bust?
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:19 pm to Aman
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But he is still playing.
So this doesn't make him a bust after being drafted in the 1st round?
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He seems fairly healthy for the 1st time since leaving Bama
If it takes you 4 years to get healthy you have problems...and he still was MAYBE just "decent".
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has shown he can be a good NFL back
No, he hasn't at all. He isn't even close to the level of what folks would consider a good NFL back. He has a very low yards per carry average over his career. He's missed countless games due to injury....nothing about him says "good NFL back".
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Why can't you wait
Wait for what? It's been FOUR YEARS, he's already at the end of his contract. I hope the Saints can get at least something for him, certainly no one very good or a high round draft pick.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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Ingram is a bust, plain and simple
Disagree. No way he was going to play ahead of Sproles or Thomas his first year and that was the only year of his career that the Saints had a decent run-blocking line. Playing behind the Dallas or Seattle lines Ingram would easily be a thousand yard back.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:21 pm to astonvilla
No.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:21 pm to Aman
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Ingram is still playing and was just in the pro bowl. You may want to wait a few more years before you label him a bust
"pro bowl" is a joke. jimmy graham made the pro-bowl and he couldn't catch a cold this season. ingram sucked with the saints and hopefully he gone after this season.
i'd much prefer we pick up yeldon in a mid round. he'd immediately come in and out perform ingram.
This post was edited on 2/16/15 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:22 pm to RANDY44
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Disagree. No way he was going to play ahead of Sproles or Thomas his first year and that was the only year of his career that the Saints had a decent run-blocking line. Playing behind the Dallas or Seattle lines Ingram would easily be a thousand yard back.
Ingram got more carries than BOTH his first year. He's been outperformed by just about every back we've had over his time with the Saints, some undrafted free agents.
He was the worst 1st round pick the Saints have made in quite some time. Total waste of a pick.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:22 pm to RANDY44
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Disagree. No way he was going to play ahead of Sproles or Thomas his first year and that was the only year of his career that the Saints had a decent run-blocking line. Playing behind the Dallas or Seattle lines Ingram would easily be a thousand yard back.
1k yards in a 16 game season isn't exactly impressive
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:40 pm to Aman
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Ingram is still playing and was just in the pro bowl. You may want to wait a few more years before you label him a bust.
He's a 1st round RB with 2,400 yards over 4 years, and he's not getting younger. To not be a bust, he'd have to sign with the Saints again, for way less money, and get about 4500-5000 yards over the next 4 years.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:46 pm to astonvilla
I think the Ravens or Dolphins should add him. But I wouldn't use a first-round pick on a running-back either way. Their shelf-life is super short and the skill required at the position is less than all others.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:51 pm to bmy
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1k yards in a 16 game season isn't exactly impressive
No one said it was. Know what else it isn't? A statistical reference for a bust.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 2:59 pm to thunderbird1100
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Ingram got more carries than BOTH his first year.
No one said otherwise. Counting passing plays they were in for many more downs than Ingram. Anyone who watched the Saints would have considered Ingram no more than the 3rd string back in that offense. Running backs in the league are a dime a dozen. I would not have picked Ingram or any other back in that spot but when you look at the league as a whole, he has performed about average for backs chosen in the first round over the past five years. Very few Murrays come along anymore. To call him a bust means you expected far more out of him than we've seen and I did not. He can be a bust for you but isn't for me.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:06 pm to wadewilson
For where he got drafted, MI is probably a bust. He was drafted too high, plain and simple.
and then to go to a team like the Saints where running the ball is basically an afterthought to the pass, he didn't get any help there.
and then to go to a team like the Saints where running the ball is basically an afterthought to the pass, he didn't get any help there.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:17 pm to Funky Tide 8
Actually, the Saints performed near the top of the league in rushing yards for the first couple of seasons Ingram was there.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:32 pm to Aman
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Ingram is still playing and was just in the pro bowl. You may want to wait a few more years before you label him a bust.
He was also thier 13th choice, but he did make it.
Posted on 2/16/15 at 3:36 pm to wadewilson
6th in the league his first season(he had 122 carries, 3.9 ypc, 5 TDs)
25th in the league his second and third season(he had 156 carries, 3.9 ypc, 5 TDs, and 78 attempts, 4.9 ypc, 1 TD respectively)
13th last season with him being the leading rusher(226 carries, at 4.3 ypc, 9 TDs)
25th in the league his second and third season(he had 156 carries, 3.9 ypc, 5 TDs, and 78 attempts, 4.9 ypc, 1 TD respectively)
13th last season with him being the leading rusher(226 carries, at 4.3 ypc, 9 TDs)
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:47 am to RANDY44
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I would not have picked Ingram or any other back in that spot but when you look at the league as a whole, he has performed about average for backs chosen in the first round over the past five years.
yep, agreed.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:59 am to Aman
Running Backs can be molded to a scheme....which makes the position less valuable.
The only RB that deserve to be taken in the 1st nowadays are your freaks of nature. AP, Lesean McCoy. All down backs who are just as good in the passing game as they are running the ball.
I don't see Yeldon as that kind of back. There are certainly RB that I would take ahead of him. Melvin Gordon, Tevin Coleman, and a healthy Gurley are all above him for me.
The only RB that deserve to be taken in the 1st nowadays are your freaks of nature. AP, Lesean McCoy. All down backs who are just as good in the passing game as they are running the ball.
I don't see Yeldon as that kind of back. There are certainly RB that I would take ahead of him. Melvin Gordon, Tevin Coleman, and a healthy Gurley are all above him for me.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:15 am to 5thTiger
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I don't see Yeldon as that kind of back. There are certainly RB that I would take ahead of him. Melvin Gordon, Tevin Coleman, and a healthy Gurley are all above him for me.
No doubt, but Yeldon is pretty damn good in the passing game. We didnt use him enough in that respect IMO.
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