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re: Still puzzled by lsu's 2011 season
Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:33 pm to Wild Thang
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 9:51 pm to FleurDeLonestar
We decided to be different. Crossing the 50 was soooooo last game.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:17 pm to FleurDeLonestar
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How could you have arguably one of the greatest seasons of all time, and not cross the 50 yard line in the NC to team you already beat? Still thinking about that one.
It happens across all sports in most rematches.
Which is why - in a sport like college football which has a very limited season and schedule - that forcing LSU to beat Bama twice was the 2nd greatest sham of the BCS era (behind 2003) -
You don't reward the winner of the SEC - undefeated - by forcing them to beat a team twice to win the title - while Bama only has to beat the team once.
It's psychological torture - and unconscionable and the mental and emotional edge always goes with the team that lost the first meeting...time and time again.
The minute Bama was put into that game by ESPN - they were gifted the National Title by a corrupt system.
I count that Bama title about as much as I count 1978 (lost to #1 USC) and 1973 (Bama finished 4th in the AP poll after losing to #1 Notre Dame.) Obviously meaning - I (like most rational adults) don't count those titles at all for Bama.
LSU was screwed plain and simple. It's disingenuous to simply say - well they should have won the 2nd meeting if they really deserved it. That's not how second chances and rematches work in sports...all across the board.
If LSU loses the first matchup, they probably win the title. Which shows how screwy and made for TV phony the BCS era and that year especially was.
It was all a ratings ploy and money grab - plain and simple. Bama won the ratings title - that is all they really won. LSU beat them in the real elimination round. You can't lose in the Elite 8 in March Madness and then claim the title later.
This post was edited on 12/29/13 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:27 pm to FleurDeLonestar
Would you give it a rest already. First of all, Alabama should of been dropped at least 2 more notches in the polls that year, but of course they had to keep them in the NC picture. I don't give a frick if ALabama was one of the 2 best teams in the nation that year, they LOST at home and should of been dropped lower than they did. They should of been dropped lower than 4th when they lost to Auburn this year. Auburn you do know if the playoff would be this year y'all would have to play Bama again. Anybody that knows anything about college sports knows it is mighty hard to beat a team twice, especially football!!!
Posted on 12/29/13 at 11:31 pm to Zamoro10
Your wrong, if LSU would of lost that first meeting I guarantee you they would of dropped at least 4 to 5 down in the polls and no chance for a rematch with Bama. I totally believe this!!! 
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:26 am to lsufancy63
That's really the thing that bothered me about that situation. You know damn good in well that if Alabama came into Tiger Stadium and won in the same fashion as LSU did NOBODY would have even talked about a rematch. As soon as the 11/5/11 game was over everyone in the media was talking "rematch" because for some reason LSU winning in Bama's house didn't prove enough 
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LSU had everything to lose in the title game... If we win it's, "well they already beat them and should've played okie state" and losing meant no crystal
A way to feel good about the 2011 LSU team is reminding yourself that we beat every team we played
? LSU had everything to lose in the title game... If we win it's, "well they already beat them and should've played okie state" and losing meant no crystal
A way to feel good about the 2011 LSU team is reminding yourself that we beat every team we played
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 12:29 am
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:54 am to lwlsu96
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As soon as the 11/5/11 game was over everyone in the media was talking "rematch" because for some reason LSU winning in Bama's house didn't prove enough
I usually don't buy paranoia...but that season justifies it.
Never seen a push like that by the media.
It was as if they couldn't stand that Bama lost the game to LSU.
Bama's name was mentioned every second after...didn't drop but an inch in the polls...and suddenly, it was as if...LSU was lucky to have won the game because Bama missed a few long FGs! Isn't that part of football teams? Special teams?
And I'm no LSU fan...but LSU was the beneficiary of the screwjob in 2003...and then they got the butt-end in 2011.
So what comes around goes around - but LSU in 2011 was screwed no doubt.
When does Bama ever get screwed?
They claim titles to 3 teams they lost to!!!!!!!!!
3 National Titles Alabama claims - and they lost to all 3 "supposedly" runner-ups!
What sister-kin screwing universe does Bama live in?
Even their so-called national titles are incestuous! You lost in season...to the patriarch.
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 12:56 am
Posted on 12/30/13 at 12:56 am to Ross
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They never seemed to have that swagger in the national title game that year, for whatever reason. Looked like they didn't want to be there.
I just felt like we were set up to fail. The mindset is completely diff. Bama is freaking out because they backed into the the bcs title game, and LSU is more like wtf we already beat them. Bama prob was the second best team, but i still dont think the most deserving based on not winning their division and having played a weaker schedule than a certain other team. But they got voted in and showed up to play. It was a shite game, both ds were playing very well for the most part.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:22 am to FleurDeLonestar
I thought LSU murdered Auburn and burned their body in 2011. How are y'all still around?
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:32 am to Ross
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Their offense had some flaws the entire year, mostly because Jefferson was wildly inconsistent at QB. They just played a more motivated Alabama team with one of the greatest defensive units to ever play football, and the offense got absolutely derailed. Their defense played very well in that game, they just cracked after being put out to dry over and over again.
But you're right. All that being said, that 2011 LSU team had a swagger about them all year. They never seemed to have that swagger in the national title game that year, for whatever reason. Looked like they didn't want to be there.
Pretty accurate assessment IMO. I think the "butthurt" by LSU fans isn't necessarily Bama getting in, but by the fact that LSU just didn't look excited or prepared to be there. Yes the offense had issues all year, but that shite show was baffling. Everyone knew LSU matched up with Bama better than that. Plus Miles keeping JJ in the game and doubling down on that decision drive after drive was even worse.
It'd have been much easier to swallow had Miles looked like he was coaching to win and gone down swinging rather than just half-assed going through the motions.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:02 am to ibldprplgld
Bump for Monday morning crew
Damn anchor
Damn anchor
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/30/13 at 2:58 pm to DyeHardDylan
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Oklahoma State was the better team.
30-29 versus an underachieving, 6-loss Texas A&M proves that Oklahoma State was the better team?
Or was it the 52-45 victory versus a Kansas State team that got obliterated by Oklahoma? KSU couldn't handle Arkansas, the SEC's third best team.
How about their double overtime loss to a 6-loss Iowa State?
Oklahoma State could have raised doubt in their bowl game, but 21-0 >>> 41-38 versus Stanford.
Oklahoma State was ranked 61st in scoring defense, 107 in passing defense, and 23rd in rushing defense in the Big "option defense" 12. They gave up about 50 more rushing yards per game than the LSU defense. LSU and Oklahoma State's defenses that year were incomparable. No 2011 team would have been able to beat Alabama on 1/9/12.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:04 pm to Ross
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With the way the game played out, I doubt LSU would have won, but you can't help but wonder what might have happened if Lee was given the start during that game.
I understand that the coaching staff believed Jefferson's mobility might give Alabama's defense a little trouble like it did in the first game, but it was pretty clear that wasn't the case early on.
Even a few points in that game might have mentally gotten LSU into it. The team just never, at any point, looked remotely interested in the game. The defense played well for a while, but they all just seemed flat.
I don't know what happened, so I won't post any theories regarding their attitude that night. On another note, I am one that believes Jarrett Lee wouldn't have made a difference. I'll quote Wikipedia.
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Many fans believe that Lee would not have made a difference in the outcome of the game because Lee had a poor history against Alabama. In his four games against Alabama, Lee had completed less than 42% of his passes with 7 interceptions, only 1 TD, and a passer rating of 68.7.
Just look at Lee's performance on 11/5/11. Sure he lead LSU to an 8-0 start, but the only defense remotely close to being as good as Alabama's was LSU's. He hadn't seen anything like the 2011 Alabama defense when he lead his team into the Alabama game.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:14 pm to BayouBengals03
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Weirdest game I've ever attended.
We didn't want to be there against them.
We'll never know if the team would have had their swagger versus Oklahoma State, but they wouldn't have needed it to beat Oklahoma State anyways.
Oklahoma State's defense wasn't good, and LSU's defense by far would have been the best Oklahoma State had faced that year. Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:18 pm to Zamoro10
Cut the mental edge crap. Explain the 2003 and 2010 SEC Championships. Did Georgia and South Carolina just become awful teams towards season's end? Where was their motivation? It looks like the team that won the first matchup by a touchdown had something to prove and won the rematch in impressive fashion.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 3:21 pm to lsufancy63
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Your wrong, if LSU would of lost that first meeting I guarantee you they would of dropped at least 4 to 5 down in the polls and no chance for a rematch with Bama. I totally believe this!!!
Why? Because the voters hate LSU? Is that it?
LSU would have deserved the same treatment as Alabama. LSU dominated Oregon in the season opener, and had a much stronger schedule. Plus Oregon lost another game. Stanford couldn't stay on the field with Oregon and lost their division and conference while playing a weaker schedule. LSU's victories with a loss to #1 Alabama >>> Oklahoma State's victories with a loss to unranked Iowa State.
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